War in Ukraine

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Okay. I understand how this all works.

Tibet, Kosovo, and Montenegro deserve their independence.

Donetsk, South Ossetia, and Transnistria need to go back to where they belong?

Am I right?
 
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DonjoVol said:
Okay. I understand how this all works.

Tibet, Kosovo, and Montenegro deserve their independence.

Donetsk, South Ossetia, and Transnistria need to go back to where they belong?

Am I right?
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No that isn’t how it works. Russia needs to stop invading and killing people and stop the prodding civil unrest and let the countries and regions figure it out themselves. I mean hell… it’s kinda obvious but with your track record of comprehension I guess nobody should be surprised 🤷‍♂️
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
No that isn’t how it works. Russia needs to stop invading and killing people and stop the prodding civil unrest and let the countries and regions figure it out themselves. I mean hell… it’s kinda obvious but with your track record of comprehension I guess nobody should be surprised 🤷‍♂️
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They haven't invaded Transnistria or Moldova. That was a conflict between those two. I think I've made it clear those two have figured it out themselves.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Don’t discount China’s best stuff they are our only peer currently. But I wonder how much their doctrine has changed on pounding your fist with their face until you capitulate. If they still pull that and Taiwan is well supplied then they’ve got a chance. But if China comes at us full throated the first thing they are gonna do is blind our GPS sats then we don’t have any precision. Item two will be to pop every carrier within strike range of them. Item three will be glare at Japan and dare them to say one damn word.
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After the "rape of Nanking " among many other atrocities, war crimes, crimes against humanity and domesticated animals in general committed by Japan in WW2....China hopes and prays for a justifiable reason to level Japan and take the land for themselves. For good reason in this instance honestly. Google "rape of Nanking " but beware .. its as bad as anything the Nazis ever did...and worse than most. Wholesale rape, murder, mass graves and torture of men, women, and children alike.

Many have forgotten( or for the young folks never learned) that China was our ally against Japan in WW2....and they were anything but ready to fight. Pitchforks and shovels vs rifles and machine guns. They were slaughtered...and in many cases no mercy or quarter was given.

I hate China far more than Russia because they hate us and are a real threat to my kids futures and my country. But they owe Japan a serious azz whipping and are eager to oblige the Japs which other than their air force we have completely neutered post WW2 by treaty/unconditional surrender. I was happy to see the new US/AUS/JAP. Mutual defense treaties and agreements to provide them with our subs....they can greatly help us keep the ChiComs in check in the indo/pacific region
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
After the "rape of Nanking " among many other atrocities, war crimes, crimes against humanity and domesticated animals in general committed by Japan in WW2....China hopes and prays for a justifiable reason to level Japan and take the land for themselves. For good reason in this instance honestly. Google "rape of Nanking " but beware .. its as bad as anything the Nazis ever did...and worse than most. Wholesale rape, murder, mass graves and torture of men, women, and children alike.

Many have forgotten( or for the young folks never learned) that China was our ally against Japan in WW2....and they were anything but ready to fight. Pitchforks and shovels vs rifles and machine guns. They were slaughtered...and in many cases no mercy or quarter was given.

I hate China far more than Russia because they hate us and are a real threat to my kids futures and my country. But they owe Japan a serious azz whipping and are eager to oblige the Japs which other than their air force we have completely neutered post WW2 by treaty/unconditional surrender. I was happy to see the new US/AUS/JAP. Mutual defense treaties and agreements to provide them with our subs....they can greatly help us keep the ChiComs in check in the indo/pacific region
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I’m aware. That’s why they were on my list. If war breaks out in that region China would be looking at Japan like Poland looks at Russia right now. Just give either a reason.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Or surrender and live to fight another day. There is nothing to be gained by being a martyr for Zelensky and Biden. The West just want to use the Ukrainians as fodder to try and grind down or weaken Russia... even if it means spilling ever drop of Ukrainian blood in the process.
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Your concern for the Ukrainian's well being is noted.

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Septic said:
LOL, sure they did. 120% of the population checked the box "strongly agree" on whether they should join Pootin and co.

We won't talk about the fact that the other two choices were "agree" and "mostly agree".
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Russia absolutely believes in free and open elections, just ask Ras and Volgr. They also have a free press
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Or surrender and live to fight another day. There is nothing to be gained by being a martyr for Zelensky and Biden. The West just want to use the Ukrainians as fodder to try and grind down or weaken Russia... even if it means spilling ever drop of Ukrainian blood in the process.
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Whaaa? The west is using them for fodder? What in the hell do you think the Russians are doing to them?
 
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Hunerwadel said:
Whaaa? The west is using them for fodder? What in the hell do you think the Russians are doing to them?
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We are using them as fodder by making Russia invade Ukraine and then by having the audacity to help Ukraine defend themselves. I get it though they have to paint the people of Ukraine as less than human to justify the Russian invasion. If they were just poor people in a relatively poor nation, then Russia would simply be exercising their authority over a weaker nation because they can. Russian imperialism would be a very poor look post the Cold War.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Russia is clearly losing this conflict... so much so, that you have the fear of them advancing further west from Donbas to Transnistria... because militaries in defeat and retreat always gain ground.
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To be fair history is replete with examples of people opening up second or third fronts while already fighting on others. And plenty of examples of that going poorly. So it's not out of the realm of possibility.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Well your last sentence highlights another problem... actually two problems. One, the cost of college education has grown way faster than inflation and it is not comparable to what kids in the 1960s and 1970s had to pay. Also, part of that inflated cost is due to the fact that these kids are now driven into college rather than 2 year schools or the trades (although we are starting to gradually see that shift). Increased demand, govt involvement in education and the proliferation of all of these nonsensical/bogus degrees. And I've said it before but most people just shake it off, but a lot of these kids at 18 do not have good people in their families or schools or peer group advising them on the right decisions to make and are encouraging these guys to strap on all of this syudent debt... telling them that it is worth it and that it will pay off. This also goes along with your voting rant. We allow these kids to vote at 18 knowing that they are not responsible and haven't had much life experience to make good judgements... yet we shackle them with these basketball number college debt numbers and ruin their lives. Am I saying that there are not 18 year olds that responsible and can make wise decisions? No. But lets be real, you brought up the fact that making them votes is irresponsible, yet very few people will argue that allowing them to borrow tens of thouaands on worthless degrees is just as irresponsible.
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A couple of points: college was cheaper when I went, but so was income. You'd have to adjust for inflation to really compare then and now. Also college cost now is probably influenced by the availability of "scholarships" that didn't exist previously - we certainly didn't have an almost guaranteed pool of money from lotteries. I've been amazed by the increase in textbook cost to students - you'd almost think there's a monopoly on texts, Elsevier (the textbook monopolist).

Kids have always wanted and demanded more freedom, but the boomer generation was the one where fewer and fewer people were tied to farms and had more free time - especially the kids. In that environment kids will always press for more independence. As a responsible parent, you find there are others who are willing to grant kids more independence, and you are going to get a lot of backlash. A parent's worst enemies are other kids and their parents - the kind that are giving HS age kids cars and everything that goes with it - before they are mature enough. Educational loans are just an extension of that, and the bulk of those current loans are unlikely to be for sons or daughters of boomers.

I don't buy that we "shackled" kids with student debt. Rather it's an indication of immaturity that leads kids to debt for essentially worthless degrees. Education itself is not worthless, but failure to gain an education in a field with a future is. How about we move the age of maturity for loans, voting, and other responsibilities to something more like 25 and hold parents responsible? It only makes sense in a world that doesn't see HS graduation as the point where a kid can be on his/her own and make a living. BTW educational institutions themselves, whether universities or K-12, get a lot of blame for the poor decisions kids make.
 
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volgr said:
You elected HW Bush who was pushing globalism and started a ridiculous war in the middle east, elected a corrupt Gov from Arkansas who continued the push of globalism through NAFTA and granted China favored Nation status (not to mention furthering his own personal corruption), then elected HW's low IQ son, then the half black hardcore leftist. 28 years of selling out your Country...but yeah, the Boomers couldnt do anything to stop it.

Just keep the good times going baby, eff the future generations.
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As if you could tie a generation to political choices. It's easy enough to say and prove that baby boomers did not elect Kennedy and Johnson - Vietnam and entangling entitlements. God only knows who elected the idiot named Carter - certainly wasn't anybody I knew. Somehow Biden wound up in office, and you'd have to prove to me that boomers were behind that. You'll also find young voters supported Obama and his entangling entitlements. Stay in your own lane and do some introspection.
 
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volgr said:
l'm late Gen X, but was largely raised before the internet. My generation isn't doing much better than our boomer parents. So many of my fellow parents are allowing their kids to be raised by iPads and TikTok. Lazy parents who are mimicking the parenting most of them got.
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So you're saying entertainment technology is to blame? Unless you lived near a larger city, TV wasn't a factor when I was growing up. When it was, there were three channels and parents and kids often watched together. Since you want to blame parents, have you actually tried taking away your children's phones, iPads, and computers if you believe those things tend to corrupt their values?
 
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