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#826
DC_Vol said:
I think it will have to pass locally to have any binding effect. I seriously doubt the residents of the affected area will green light this.
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I live in Central Florida and have seen nothing indicating the locals here would have to vote to dissolve the special district. I think it is granted by the Legislature, originally in about 1967, and the issue is whether the State is going to dissolve it. The local news is that what it would do is transfer the income and the expenses of operating the services there -- everything from fire/rescue to building inspections -- from Disney's own administration to the two counties whose land Disney is on. That is Orange County and Osceola County.

Would be something like $160 million a year that local taxpayers would have to pay, as opposed to Disney managing and paying for it.

There are lot of traditionally NOT REPUBLICAN components to this, but as it would seem even GOPers are acknowledging here, the motivation to do this rests with one person and his own political ambitions.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I live in Central Florida and have seen nothing indicating the locals here would have to vote to dissolve the special district. I think it is granted by the Legislature, originally in about 1967, and the issue is whether the State is going to dissolve it. The local news is that what it would do is transfer the income and the expenses of operating the services there -- everything from fire/rescue to building inspections -- from Disney's own administration to the two counties whose land Disney is on. That is Orange County and Osceola County.

Would be something like $160 million a year that local taxpayers would have to pay, as opposed to Disney managing and paying for it.

There are lot of traditionally NOT REPUBLICAN components to this, but as it would seem even GOPers are acknowledging here, the motivation to do this rests with one person and his own political ambitions.
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2021 Florida Statutes :: Title XIII - Planning and Development :: Chapter 189 - Uniform Special District Accountability Act :: Part VII - Merger and Dissolution (Ss. 189.07-189.0761) :: 189.072 - Dissolution of an independent special district.

Saw this somewhere else. You may know better whether it applies.
 
#828
#828
lawgator1 said:
I live in Central Florida and have seen nothing indicating the locals here would have to vote to dissolve the special district. I think it is granted by the Legislature, originally in about 1967, and the issue is whether the State is going to dissolve it. The local news is that what it would do is transfer the income and the expenses of operating the services there -- everything from fire/rescue to building inspections -- from Disney's own administration to the two counties whose land Disney is on. That is Orange County and Osceola County.

Would be something like $160 million a year that local taxpayers would have to pay, as opposed to Disney managing and paying for it.

There are lot of traditionally NOT REPUBLICAN components to this, but as it would seem even GOPers are acknowledging here, the motivation to do this rests with one person and his own political ambitions.
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Seems like a win/win for Disney. The county would have to either build new infrastructure or buy Disney's (water plants, fire depts, etc) right? I assume to not have a disruption in service they'd just buy Disney's (estimates are $1-2 billion). Then the county would be on the hook for $100+ mil per year Disney spends to operate these services.

What am I missing? Disney should be pretty pumped, right?
 
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RockyTop85 said:
2021 Florida Statutes :: Title XIII - Planning and Development :: Chapter 189 - Uniform Special District Accountability Act :: Part VII - Merger and Dissolution (Ss. 189.07-189.0761) :: 189.072 - Dissolution of an independent special district.

Saw this somewhere else. You may know better whether it applies.
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Interesting, I see the part you are talking about. 189.072(2)(a) speaks to a vote of the "resident electors" or of the landowners who appoint them.

However, I also see this online as to the bill from the Senate:

Senate Bill 4-C says “Notwithstanding s. 189.072(2), any independent special district established by a special act prior to the date of ratification of the Florida Constitution on November 5, 1968, and which was not reestablished, re-ratified, or otherwise reconstituted by a special act or general law after November 5, 28 1968, is dissolved effective June 1, 2023. An independent special district affected by this subsection may be reestablished on or after June 1, 2023, pursuant to the requirements and limitations of this chapter.”


So looks like they are dodging that section.
 
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MurphyVol said:
Seems like a win/win for Disney. The county would have to either build new infrastructure or buy Disney's (water plants, fire depts, etc) right? I assume to not have a disruption in service they'd just buy Disney's (estimates are $1-2 billion). Then the county would be on the hook for $100+ mil per year Disney spends to operate these services.

What am I missing? Disney should be pretty pumped, right?
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The county could just opt to build new infrastructure and tell Disney to pound sand until it's done, see how that works? Meanwhile, Disney gets hit with new infrastructure taxes to pay for it. This isn't a win for Disney, it's a nightmare.
 
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VolStrom said:
The county could just opt to build new infrastructure and tell Disney to pound sand until it's done, see how that works? Meanwhile, Disney gets hit with new infrastructure taxes to pay for it. This isn't a win for Disney, it's a nightmare.
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So they'd shut down services to the state's largest employer for 3-5 years while they build out power plants, wastewater treatment plants, fire departments etc? Great time to build infrastructure, tons of cheap labor and cheap materials.

And then Disney would no longer self fund these services, the tax payers would.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Interesting, I see the part you are talking about. 189.072(2)(a) speaks to a vote of the "resident electors" or of the landowners who appoint them.

However, I also see this online as to the bill from the Senate:

Senate Bill 4-C says “Notwithstanding s. 189.072(2), any independent special district established by a special act prior to the date of ratification of the Florida Constitution on November 5, 1968, and which was not reestablished, re-ratified, or otherwise reconstituted by a special act or general law after November 5, 28 1968, is dissolved effective June 1, 2023. An independent special district affected by this subsection may be reestablished on or after June 1, 2023, pursuant to the requirements and limitations of this chapter.”


So looks like they are dodging that section.
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That might be an interesting legal fight.

Would be hilarious if this goes the way of the Oklahoma Indian Reservations and Disney becomes its own sovereign territory, ungoverned by Florida law and not subject to Florida taxation.
 
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VolStrom said:
The county could just opt to build new infrastructure and tell Disney to pound sand until it's done, see how that works? Meanwhile, Disney gets hit with new infrastructure taxes to pay for it. This isn't a win for Disney, it's a nightmare.
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BS. Nightmare for the municipalities. How many of their citizens get put out of work? It would be crippling for the Orlando area.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
BS. Nightmare for the municipalities. How many of their citizens get put out of work? It would be crippling for the Orlando area.
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I was responding to a ludicrous post about how this is going to crush the local governments with a ludicrous reply. Disney is not going to shut down, but their business in Florida will change once they have to succumb to the local governments to build a new ride or toilet.
 
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#836
Democracy in action baby! Suck it leftist scum groomers!


Florida House passes bill stripping Disney of self governing status

The bill will now head to the desk of Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis who has been involved in a war of words with the company after it publicly opposed a bill he signed which prohibits classroom instruction on "sexual orientation" and "gender identity" with children in third grade or younger "or in a manner that is not age-appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards."
 
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TNVOLNAVY said:
Democracy in action baby! Suck it leftist scum groomers!


Florida House passes bill stripping Disney of self governing status

The bill will now head to the desk of Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis who has been involved in a war of words with the company after it publicly opposed a bill he signed which prohibits classroom instruction on "sexual orientation" and "gender identity" with children in third grade or younger "or in a manner that is not age-appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards."
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Groomers.

The latest rallying cry of the rabid right. Follows right on the heels of soft on pedophilia. Such a tired and predictably simpleton approach to the complicated world in which we live.
 
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#838
lawgator1 said:
Groomers.

The latest rallying cry of the rabid right. Follows right on the heels of soft on pedophilia. Such a tired and predictably simpleton approach to the complicated world in which we live.
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Have you read the 7 page bill which Disney is dying on the hill for?
 
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#841
The bill prohibits classroom instruction on sexual orientation or gender identity in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age-appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students.

The horror.
 
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Orangeburst said:
https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2022/1557/BillText/er/PDF

House Bill 1557 (2022) - The Florida Senate
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Ok, I think its other sections that are at issue than on p. 7.

But in any event, I thought you meant Disney was unhappy with the special district bill. Whether Disney's position is right or wrong is not my point; my point is that Disney is being punished by DeSantis just to try to generate headlines over their disagreement.

DeSantis does not strike me as principled as much as he strikes me as an opportunist. In fact I think that is pretty obvious.
 
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#843
lawgator1 said:
Ok, I think its other sections that are at issue than on p. 7.

But in any event, I thought you meant Disney was unhappy with the special district bill. Whether Disney's position is right or wrong is not my point; my point is that Disney is being punished by DeSantis just to try to generate headlines over their disagreement.

DeSantis does not strike me as principled as much as he strikes me as an opportunist. In fact I think that is pretty obvious.
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Ok. Well what do you object to the bill that Disney has to take their stance?
 
#844
#844
lawgator1 said:
Ok, I think its other sections that are at issue than on p. 7.

But in any event, I thought you meant Disney was unhappy with the special district bill. Whether Disney's position is right or wrong is not my point; my point is that Disney is being punished by DeSantis just to try to generate headlines over their disagreement.

DeSantis does not strike me as principled as much as he strikes me as an opportunist. In fact I think that is pretty obvious.
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Yelling at kids he doesn’t know to take off their masks for a photo op certainly isn’t principle.
 
#846
#846
The meltdown from leftoids while voting on that bill was hilarious. Imagine thinking that's normal!

Plus I thought leftoids were anti-corporate, anti-subsidizing millionaires and billionaires anyway. Whackos.
 
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ButchPlz said:
The meltdown from leftoids while voting on that bill was hilarious. Imagine thinking that's normal!

Plus I thought leftoids were anti-corporate, anti-subsidizing millionaires and billionaires anyway. Whackos.
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I thought righ tards were anti government censorship and pro-free speech… I guess everyone perpetrates their own special version of hypocrisy while pointing the finger at someone else.
 
#849
#849
TNVOLNAVY said:
Democracy in action baby! Suck it leftist scum groomers!


Florida House passes bill stripping Disney of self governing status

The bill will now head to the desk of Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis who has been involved in a war of words with the company after it publicly opposed a bill he signed which prohibits classroom instruction on "sexual orientation" and "gender identity" with children in third grade or younger "or in a manner that is not age-appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards."
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Analysis: DeSantis vs. Disney: Homophobia and hate are beneath the surface of high-minded, right-wing talking points - CNN
Homophobia and hate are right underneath the surface of the high-minded talking points about "parental rights in education."
 
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