War in Ukraine

[luthervol]

What is the undeniable info learned here? That the powers that be at Wimbledon are morons. Yay, that really sways things against Putin.

That Russia's actions are increasingly making it an unwelcomed participant on the world stage.

 

[landscapingvol]

Yes, I tipped my hand...by arguing that same point for over a month now. Glad you are catching on.

The rest of your post is untrue assumptions based on western propaganda.

All of your arguments are based on Russian propaganda, you have yet to grasp that

 

[allvol123]

That Russia's actions are increasingly making it an unwelcomed participant on the world stage.

Oh, sorry. I was so for Putin, but now that some dude that has nothing to do with the situation can’t play in a sports tournament, I’ve changed my mind.

Hope we never get a tyrant with nukes on the African continent, you’ll want the NBA and NFL to go out of business.

 

[luthervol]

Oh, sorry. I was so for Putin, but now that some dude that has nothing to do with the situation can’t play in a sports tournament, I’ve changed my mind.

Hope we never get a tyrant with nukes on the African continent, you’ll want the NBA and NFL to go out of business.

Silly post.....for multiple reasons

But here's another cut for you............
US Treasury Secretary Yellen and other finance ministers walked out of G20 meeting with Russia

 

[hog88]

Of course natural rights are defined by society.
Natural Rights

Read up on the history of natural law and natural rights.

Did you even read your link?

 

[volgr]

Silly post.....for multiple reasons

But here's another cut for you............
US Treasury Secretary Yellen and other finance ministers walked out of G20 meeting with Russia

Thank God the "adults" are back in charge. What a bunch of petty b1tches.

 

[landscapingvol]

At some point one has to consider if this isnt incompetence but a deliberate attempt to devalue the dollar...

Again you continue to post Russian propaganda as "facts", yes the World is calling the US bluffs on Ukraine and are eagerly anticipating the supremacy of the yuan and ruble. I know that would excite you but you are a moron if you think anyone outside of China and handful of other nations wants the yuan as the reserve currency. Everyone with a functioning IQ above yours know that China can't be trusted and is a glowing bastion of human rights, they also manipulate their currency for the very purpose of devaluing it to get a greater advantage in trade deals. You are a complete fool

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

EU To Impose Full Embargo On Russian Oil Next Week, Will Send Price Above $185 According To JPMorgan | ZeroHedge

So in response to this embargo (or likely coordinated with the EU) Biden is planning on sending some of our oil from the strategic reserves to Europe. Again, someone explain to me how this is helping the average American or average European... or forget the Europeans for a moment. Why are we tapping into our strategic reserves anyway?

Oil From U.S. Strategic Reserve Heads for Europe Amid Global Supply Crunch

 

[Velo Vol]

That Russia's actions are increasingly making it an unwelcomed participant on the world stage.

Tennis players don't represent a country, they're individual athletes. That one player even denounced the war! To punish him just bolsters the anti-western cause of the Russian nationalists.

 

[luthervol]

Did you even read your link?

Of course....
I'll give you a couple of highlights to see if it helps.
Scholars think that natural rights emerged from natural law
Many scholars think that the idea of natural rights emerged from natural law, a theory evident in the philosophy of the medieval Catholic philosopher St. Thomas Aquinas (d. 1274). Natural law was thought to embody principles of right and wrong — especially pertaining to relations between and among individuals — that could be ascertained by human reason, apart from divine revelation. Philosophers, however, were rarely in complete agreement as to the content of such laws. For example, they disagreed over whether natural law prohibits human slavery, as American abolitionists later argued.

So does natural law prohibit human slavery? According to who.
Or
Does natural law allow one to love and marry whomever they wish?

As philosophers applied the concept of natural rights to the secular world, the focus shifted from rules concerning individual behavior to claims of rights that individuals could make against the state. Thomas Hobbes (1588–1679) and John Locke (1632–1704) in England, and Jean Jacques Rousseau (1712–1778) in France, were among the philosophers who developed a theory of natural rights based on rights to life, liberty, and property (later expanded by Jefferson to “the pursuit of happiness”) that individuals would have in a prepolitical “state of nature.”

 

[volgr]

EU To Impose Full Embargo On Russian Oil Next Week, Will Send Price Above $185 According To JPMorgan | ZeroHedge

So in response to this embargo (or likely coordinated with the EU) Biden is planning on sending some of our oil from the strategic reserves to Europe. Again, someone explain to me how this is helping the average American or average European... or forget the Europeans for a moment. Why are we tapping into our strategic reserves anyway?

Oil From U.S. Strategic Reserve Heads for Europe Amid Global Supply Crunch

It's almost comical what these clowns will justify to prop up the western narrative. I mean most in here justify Ukrainian war crimes, so if one will excuse that what wont they justify?

 

[luthervol]

Thank God the "adults" are back in charge. What a bunch of petty b1tches.

None so much as the biggest petty b!tch of them all.........your boy Putin.

 

[luthervol]

Tennis players don't represent a country, they're individual athletes. That one player even denounced the war! To punish him just bolsters the anti-western cause of the Russian nationalists.

I sympathize with the athlete, but not nearly as much as I sympathize with the thousands being murdered.
Speaking out against the war was fantastic, very admirable. Maybe he can now take another step.

 

[McDad]

Tennis players don't represent a country, they're individual athletes. That one player even denounced the war! To punish him just bolsters the anti-western cause of the Russian nationalists.

I didn't scroll back to the original post on the tennis player.

Is he being held out simply because he is from Russia?

 

[landscapingvol]

It's almost comical what these clowns will justify to prop up the western narrative. I mean most in here justify Ukrainian war crimes, so if one will excuse that what wont they justify?

You're a cartoon along with Ras, nobody has to create the narrative that Russia invaded Ukraine. You can disagree with the sanctions which is fine but you continue to portray the invasion as some humanitarian endeavor to free Ukraine from Nazi tyranny. I feel sorry for the innocent, average Ukrainian that has to suffer because Putin has a Napoleon complex but you keep doubling down on stupid and pretend that you are making coherent arguments that have shifted so many times since March that it is head spinning. I remember when there was no invasion or war, just Western faux aggression.

 

[DancingOutlaw]

I sympathize with the athlete, but not nearly as much as I sympathize with the thousands being murdered.
Speaking out against the war was fantastic, very admirable. Maybe he can now take another step.

Yeah now that he's out of a job due to his choice of birth country, he'll have plenty of time to overthrow Putin or whatever the **** his responsibility is now.

Why does anyone thing cudgeling normal citizens in an autocratic regime is going to cause them magically to rise up? Or that it's in anyway fair to make them suffer because of who runs their country?

 

[Velo Vol]

I sympathize with the athlete, but not nearly as much as I sympathize with the thousands being murdered.
Speaking out against the war was fantastic, very admirable. Maybe he can now take another step.

What other step? His only "sin" is that he's a Russian citizen.

I'm fine with kicking out any Russians who have publicly supported the war/Putin, but this guy shouldn't be punished for it.

 

[landscapingvol]

Yeah now that he's out of a job due to his choice of birth country, he'll have plenty of time to overthrow Putin or whatever the **** his responsibility is now.

Why does anyone thing cudgeling normal citizens in an autocratic regime is going to cause them magically to rise up? Or that it's in anyway fair to make them suffer because of who runs their country?

Short of invading Russia or Ukraine, I can live with sanctions and prohibiting athletes from competing. I would prefer Putin fall out of a window but that isn't going to happen

 

[VolStrom]

EU To Impose Full Embargo On Russian Oil Next Week, Will Send Price Above $185 According To JPMorgan | ZeroHedge

So in response to this embargo (or likely coordinated with the EU) Biden is planning on sending some of our oil from the strategic reserves to Europe. Again, someone explain to me how this is helping the average American or average European... or forget the Europeans for a moment. Why are we tapping into our strategic reserves anyway?

Oil From U.S. Strategic Reserve Heads for Europe Amid Global Supply Crunch

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$185 a barrel should push fuel prices up to the European price of $7-$8 per gallon. That's it, I'm buying a Tesla. Can anyone spare a Hundred grand?

 

[marcusluvsvols]

And I don't think you'll find them anywhere near where bullets are firing either. They are worthless CEO types - all hat and no cattle. The people at the top of our military are just politicians of a different breed; hopefully we'll never need them for anything serious.

This is why my Dad retired as a Colonel. Was up for promotion again, but it meant relocatiing to the Pentagon, leaving behind the unit he created, all his training/degrees/manner of operation and becoming a politician for all practical purposes rather than a regular officer. He said "no, thanks." Entered the private sector after 26yrs of USAF and doubled his salary.

I am still very proud of his and the many other family members service. I actually tried to take a huge paycut and join right after 9-11 despite having a wife and 2 kids but couldn't make anything reasonable work. While i agree that our mil. Needs to lose all this woke BS and focus on preventing or winning wars by overwhelming force and technology....i could never call for or want any of our current officers to die in order to achieve that result. Go Vols

 

[volgr]

None so much as the biggest petty b!tch of them all.........your boy Putin.

Putin's team is calmly sitting at the negotiating table ready for diplomacy, as always...meanwhile this is the west...

 

[volgr]

I feel sorry for the innocent, average Ukrainian that has to suffer

Your posting history in this thread says otherwise.

 

[volgr]

I sympathize with the athlete, but not nearly as much as I sympathize with the thousands being murdered.
Speaking out against the war was fantastic, very admirable. Maybe he can now take another step.

Luther would have rounded up the Japanese for internment back in the day.

 

[hog88]

Of course....
I'll give you a couple of highlights to see if it helps.
Scholars think that natural rights emerged from natural law
Many scholars think that the idea of natural rights emerged from natural law, a theory evident in the philosophy of the medieval Catholic philosopher St. Thomas Aquinas (d. 1274). Natural law was thought to embody principles of right and wrong — especially pertaining to relations between and among individuals — that could be ascertained by human reason, apart from divine revelation. Philosophers, however, were rarely in complete agreement as to the content of such laws. For example, they disagreed over whether natural law prohibits human slavery, as American abolitionists later argued.

So does natural law prohibit human slavery? According to who.
Or
Does natural law allow one to love and marry whomever they wish?

As philosophers applied the concept of natural rights to the secular world, the focus shifted from rules concerning individual behavior to claims of rights that individuals could make against the state. Thomas Hobbes (1588–1679) and John Locke (1632–1704) in England, and Jean Jacques Rousseau (1712–1778) in France, were among the philosophers who developed a theory of natural rights based on rights to life, liberty, and property (later expanded by Jefferson to “the pursuit of happiness”) that individuals would have in a prepolitical “state of nature.”

Your first problem is quoting an article that relies mostly on philosophers. Natural rights do not include the right to practice human slavery, they do not include the right to hurt others. Yes I know various people throughout time have exclaimed "it's our God given right to xyz" it's not your "God given right" to own another human or injure them outside of self defense. It is your natural right (call it God given if you wish) to speak your mind, pursue your own destiny, defend yourself (includes others), posses property and be free from servitude.

 

[hog88]

I didn't scroll back to the original post on the tennis player.

Is he being held out simply because he is from Russia?

Yes.