War in Ukraine

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Orangeburst said:
Who are these democrartic governments? Good thing we aren't a democratic government, but are transforming to one before our eyes. And I find it funny you just say "racism" which excludes other authoritarian governance.
You ever see "democracy" in the USC?
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Come on, I’m talking about democratic ideals. That’s not the point anyway.

Who said racism? You lost me. I’m not sure how your response relates to what I said.
 
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OHvol40 said:
Depends on what you consider “positive changes.” I think it was a widely held assumption over the last 100 or so years that fostering unfettered capitalism goes hand-in-hand with democracy and a “free” society. Now, in retrospect, the post-colonial era has taught us that an increase in capitalism isn’t directly correlated to democratic government/society and can just as easily fuel the fires of fascism.
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Are there fascist countries where the citizens are respectably ranked in per capita income?
 
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McDad said:
Are there fascist countries where the citizens are respectably ranked in per capita income?
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McDad said:
I disagree. In fact, China might be the gold standard of the US facilitating change via trade.
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Granted there's no ongoing Cultural Revolution or Great Leap Forward to reduce the population by a few tens of millions, but their government now is among the most repressive in the world.
Are there examples of countries whose citizens became more free after adoption of free trade? I know it's long been our rhetoric to say there's a link, but I see that mainly as rationalization for interference in others' domestic affairs.
 
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landscapingvol said:
I think you underestimate the effectiveness of guerilla warfare and overestimate the capabilities of the Russian military. This is not an experienced combat force with great success since Afghanistan in the early 80’s and that wasn’t great or successful
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I'm not cheering for them, far from it, but they've had mainly success post-Afghanistan. And their methods are not easy on civilians.
 
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EasternVol said:
Granted there's no ongoing Cultural Revolution or Great Leap Forward to reduce the population by a few tens of millions, but their government now is among the most repressive in the world.
Are there examples of countries whose citizens became more free after adoption of free trade? I know it's long been our rhetoric to say there's a link. But I see that more as rationalization for interference in others' domestic affairs.
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That's interesting. The proponents of free trade facilitated westernization say it helps the USA not interfere in other's domestic affairs.
 
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More of a breakdown on the Budapest Memorandum

Ukraine war: what is the Budapest Memorandum and why has Russia's invasion torn it up?

According to a former US diplomat who participated in the talks, Steven Pifer, it was understood that if there was a violation, there would be a response incumbent on the US and the UK. And while that response was not explicitly defined, Pifer notes that: “there is an obligation on the United States that flows from the Budapest Memorandum to provide assistance to Ukraine, and […] that would include lethal military assistance”.
 
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McDad said:
Ranked. Like by ascending/descending order in per capita income.
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Sure, I’m assuming you can rank any population based on income. Whether you can or can’t, does that change the fact that capitalism doesn’t = free society?
 
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OHvol40 said:
Sure, I’m assuming you can rank any population based on income. Whether you can or can’t, does that change the fact that capitalism doesn’t = free society?
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Wooooahh.This should be enlightening

Just what economic model would you suggest?
 
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Orangeburst said:
Wooooahh.This should be enlightening

Just what economic model would you suggest?
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I’m not suggesting one. I’m pointing out the fact that capitalism isn’t the deterrent to authoritarianism that we all believed it was for a long time. It’s takes more than that to have a free society. Look at China and more recently Russia. Look at the former colonial states that are flush with capitalism and have still been plunged into authoritarianism. Maybe capitalism is an ingredient, but it certainly isn’t a cure.
 
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