War in Ukraine

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KB5252 said:
The elected president cozied to Putin against the will of the people, that drive them even further west.

You point out that the US started a coup, the most accurate way to describe it was assisted a coup. The people spoke and told them what they wanted out of government. The government ignored them and did something else, that paved the way for the coup, and it all started with Russia meddling in Ukraine against the peoples wishes.
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Against the will of a certain segment of the people. You make it sound like the entire country was against it. And besides that, it is no justification for the US to step in and orchestrate a regime change operation.

Leaders around the world (including here in America) go against the will of the people all the time. So why was THIS particular situation so special?
 
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#25,662
KB5252 said:
You point out that the US started a coup, the most accurate way to describe it was assisted a coup. The people spoke and told them what they wanted out of government. The government ignored them and did something else, that paved the way for the coup, and it all started with Russia meddling in Ukraine against the peoples wishes.
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So you admit we played a role. Well, since you want to be liberator of the world, why don't you follow that same logic and explain why we got involved in Pakistan when the will of the people there was ignored last week.
 
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#25,663
KB5252 said:
The elected president cozied to Putin against the will of the people, that drive them even further west.

You point out that the US started a coup, the most accurate way to describe it was assisted a coup. The people spoke and told them what they wanted out of government. The government ignored them and did something else, that paved the way for the coup, and it all started with Russia meddling in Ukraine against the peoples wishes.
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We have no business getting involved in these petty azz regional conflicts all across the globe that has no direct or immediate or even teriary impact to the average American citizen.
 
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landscapingvol said:
You continue to act as if Russia hasn't been involved in Ukraine's politics since the dawn of civilization. The US is an amateur compared to Russia's meddling but like all of your other posts you ignore everything Russia has done while criticizing everything the West has done but that is par for the course with you and volgr.
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I don't ignore it. I'm fully aware of this.

Why is this any of our business? Why is it worth going head first into a hot war with Russia over this regional conflict?
 
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landscapingvol said:
Is this you trying to defend Russia's actions in Syria to prop up Assad as some noble cause? Are you suggesting chemical weapons weren't used or are you trying to suggest the West used them to set up Assad?
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I've said that it was shown that there was no chemical attack in 2018 and it is likely that ISI/Free Syrian Army was responsible for attack in 2013.
 
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Gandalf said:
This gives you as handy a breakdown as any as to what the make up is politically there - its worth reading the other pages at Goodbye Lenin: A Memory Shift in Revolutionary Ukraine and seeing the other maps, like where Lenin statues were removed and where Bandera monuments were erected.
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Also, here are some good historical pieces that predate Feb

“There is no Ukraine”: Fact-Checking the Kremlin’s Version of Ukrainian History
Ukraine profile - Timeline
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This is your partition map, folks...
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
We have no business getting involved in these petty azz regional conflicts all across the globe that has no direct or immediate or even teriary impact to the average American citizen.
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To target the strength of a perceived hostile state by limiting their sphere of influence and so access to resources, markets and strategic assets such as ports. And in the process increasing our own. It does affect the average American citizen although indirectly. That's not an endorsement of some of the means we employ. Are you familiar with the Great Game?
 
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