War in Ukraine

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volgr said:
So, do we want to talk about why Ukraine bombed it's own people...or do we want to pretend it was Russia?
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Uhhhh.that video is a guy who hasnt been relevant in a decade and is a convicted pedo. Saying "check the serial numbers". He was right about Iraq WMD, mind you but doesnt mean he has ACTUALLY SEEN the serial numbers or is claiming that someone else has and they dont line up.

When you want to point to something as evidence, it should actually be evidence before making a claim. Its not that its not possible that Ukraine did it themseleves, its just that this is in no way evidence of it
 
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The Biden administration is poised to dramatically expand the scope of weapons it’s providing Ukraine, U.S. officials said Tuesday, with the Pentagon looking to send Mi-17 helicopters that can be equipped to attack Russian vehicles, armored Humvees and a range of other arms.

The new aid package could be worth $750 million, these people said. They spoke on the condition of anonymity because the transfer has not yet been finalized.

Preliminary plans circulating among government officials and lawmakers in Washington also includes howitzer cannons, coastal defense drones and protective suits to safeguard personnel in the event of a chemical, biological or nuclear weapons attack, the officials said, though they cautioned that it was not immediately clear if all of those items would end up in the final package.

Pentagon spokesman John Kirby declined to comment.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
It is a few Boomers and late Gen Xers like myself that still hold on to both their hate for anything Russian and they hold on to these distorted views about what Russia is today... which explains their miscalculations about the Russian economy and their ability to nullify sanctions. They still hold on to this illusion of what Russia looked like under Yeltsin in the 1990s (a gas station with nukes)... basically teetering on 3rd World status.

These people also, dangerously, do not have a reverse gear nor will they back down from their current strategy, I am afraid. They will likely argue that the US and The West need to save face and not show weakness by removing sanctions or by having serious negotiations with Russia to resolve their security concerns. Pride and hubris are clouding their judgements... not sure where all of this pride comes from, however, considering all of the foreign policy debacles that we have had over the last 60+ years.
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Speaking as a GenX’er .. I don’t trust one government not to F me over more than I trust the other . I don’t care what nation they “ represent “
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
More stupid false **** from you, clown. 🤡 The story “went quiet” because it’s more stupid Russian propaganda.

Fake: Serial Number Confirms Kramatorsk Train Station Hit by Ukrainian Tochka U Missile

The markings on the 9M79-1 rocket indicate that it belongs to the Tochka-U class of missiles, whose NATO classification is SS-21 Scarab. However, this serial number – Ш91579 – is a factory marking and does not in any way identify the missile as belonging to the Ukrainian military. This numeration was applied to all rocket shells at the Votkinsk Machine Building Plant, a machine and ballistic missile factory in the Volga federal district that mass produced missiles in the Soviet era, which were then transported to different countries, from Kazakhstan, to Russia, Belarus and Ukraine. Currently eight countries possess the Tochka U short range ballistic missiles. Following the logic of the Russian media, a missile with similar markings could have been launched with the same degree of probability, from Belarus, for example
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He's just a former weapons inspector, what does he know.
 
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Gandalf said:
Uhhhh.that video is a guy who hasnt been relevant in a decade and is a convicted pedo. Saying "check the serial numbers". He was right about Iraq WMD, mind you but doesnt mean he has ACTUALLY SEEN the serial numbers or is claiming that someone else has and they dont line up.

When you want to point to something as evidence, it should actually be evidence before making a claim. Its not that its not possible that Ukraine did it themseleves, its just that this is in no way evidence of it
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The serial number has been shown from on the ground photo's/video's. The actual serial number isnt in dispute. It also seems to match serial numbers from other Ukrainian launched Tochka's. At this point the chances this rocket came from Russia is very small.
 
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volgr said:
The mfg plant ID has been shown from on the ground photo's/video's. The actual mfg plant ID isnt in dispute. It also seems to match mtg plant ID from other Ukrainian launched Tochka's as well as eight other former Soviet bloc countries as well as Russia. At this point the chances this rocket came from Russia is about the only logical conclusion.
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FYP lying clown 🤡
 
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volgr said:
The serial number has been shown from on the ground photo's/video's. The actual serial number isnt in dispute. It also seems to match serial numbers from other Ukrainian launched Tochka's. At this point the chances this rocket came from Russia is very small.
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if you could even acknowledge the counter arguments that would go along way to showing you care about truth and not just propaganda.

Our own weapons expert provided a solid counter argument to your stance. That was a manufacturing number, not a who launched it number. It also ignores the real possibility of the Russians capturing a Ukrainian missile and using it themselves. You know since they are kicking so much butt they are bound to have captured a missile or two.
 
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volgr said:
The serial number has been shown from on the ground photo's/video's. The actual serial number isnt in dispute. It also seems to match serial numbers from other Ukrainian launched Tochka's. At this point the chances this rocket came from Russia is very small.
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Is this you not defending Russia again because I am having a hard time not reading your pro Russian sentiment in nearly every post? You defend them at every turn while linking fringe lunatics as hard evidence
 
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