War in Ukraine

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allvol123 said:
Regardless of what happens in Donbas, “to end quickly” is not the desired result. Either side could pick that right now.
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That is why I said, realistically. It is more realistic, since Ukraine is losing badly, for Ukraine to sign a ceasefire, end this quickly and save the lives of their military and citizens. According to Putin's statement today, it seems they aren't worried about time nor should they be at this point.
 
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volgr said:
That is why I said, realistically. It is more realistic, since Ukraine is losing badly, for Ukraine to sign a ceasefire, end this quickly and save the lives of their military and citizens. According to Putin's statement today, it seems they aren't worried about time nor should they be at this point.
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If their desire is to not be subjugated, then no, it isn’t.
 
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landscapingvol said:
The part he disagrees with but he isn't pro Russian just ask him.
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So he made 2 points that I said were laughably false. Please tell me how disagreeing with his 2 points make me "pro-Russian"? If you say UT is dominating Bama on the ground and we have 2 yards to their 150 yards and I say no, that is laughably false, does that now make me pro-Bama?
 
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volgr said:
So he made 2 points that I said were laughably false. Please tell me how disagreeing with his 2 points make me "pro-Russian"? If you say UT is dominating Bama on the ground and we have 2 yards to their 150 yards and I say no, that is laughably false, does that now make me pro-Bama?
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How bout if you claim to be a UT fan but the whole game you post how terrible UT is and if we would just not play Bama even though they cheat, we wouldn’t ever lose to them? And then post several memes from Bama’s message board saying UT is the same as Vanderbilt
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
How bout if you claim to be a UT fan but the whole game you post how terrible UT is and if we would just not play Bama even though they cheat, we wouldn’t ever lose to them? And then post several memes from Bama’s message board saying UT is the same as Vanderbilt
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In his defense it isn't that difficult to criticize our football program over the last two decades
 
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volgr said:
So one is pro-<the other side> if one is critical of the mistakes their side is continuously making?
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No but when you approach from a false narrative to begin with and only look at one side and actively cheer for one side over “your side” while making excuses for the “other side”, then your trollness becomes apparent. Just like the negavols on here
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
No but when you approach from a false narrative to begin with and only look at one side and actively cheer for one side over “your side” while making excuses for the “other side”, then your trollness becomes apparent. Just like the negavols on here
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I dont cheer for Russia as you say. Actually, I have been quite clear that I couldnt care less if they lose and tuck tail back to Moscow and in the same respect I couldnt care less if Ukraine loses and Russia takes/carves up their land. I have also said they arent as disciplined in their tactics as the US and have made plenty of military blunders.

So, it could be we just disagree on narrative and I'm not actually pro-Russian?
 
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volgr said:
I dont cheer for Russia as you say. Actually, I have been quite clear that I couldnt care less if they lose and tuck tail back to Moscow and in the same respect I couldnt care less if Ukraine loses and Russia takes/carves up their land. I have also said they arent as disciplined in their tactics as the US and have made plenty of military blunders.

So, it could be we just disagree on narrative and I'm not actually pro-Russian?
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Or, you are a communist sympathizer who has been implanted to defend pro Russian propaganda?
 
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volgr said:
I dont cheer for Russia as you say. Actually, I have been quite clear that I couldnt care less if they lose and tuck tail back to Moscow and in the same respect I couldnt care less if Ukraine loses and Russia takes/carves up their land. I have also said they arent as disciplined in their tactics as the US and have made plenty of military blunders.

So, it could be we just disagree on narrative and I'm not actually pro-Russian?
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Then say that Russia is at fault in this conflict as the aggressor of invading a sovereign country and killed innocent people and should leave immediately to end this conflict. If you can’t say that you aren’t based in reality
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Then say that Russia is at fault in this conflict as the aggressor of invading a sovereign country and killed innocent people and should leave immediately to end this conflict. If you can’t say that you aren’t based in reality
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Regardless of your feeling on who was at fault for this conflict, it is ridiculously unrealistic to expect the Country currently winning a war to give up and leave.
 
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This pretty much lays out why my BS meter on Ukraine reporting went ballistic from the start, since this had all the hallmarks of being used as a wag the dog. - and why its not working as planned.

Nolte: Why the Media's Moral Panic Around Ukraine Failed to Save Biden

As we all saw in the first days of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, the goal of Democrats and their corporate media allies was to swamp the news cycle with hysterical, 24/7 stories about this moral outrage. The invasion was deliberately covered in an overwhelming and coordinated flood of “outrage” stories that would knock inflation/crime/illegal immigration/gas prices, etc., out of the news cycle.

The second goal was to create an actual moral panic. The template would be the same one used to cause so much destruction around the murder of George Floyd and the coronavirus. Remember, it wasn’t enough to want to see justice for George Floyd. You must literally kneel before the terrorists in Black Lives Matter and approve of their riots. It wasn’t enough to get vaccinated. You had to approve of fascist mandates and the abusive masking of two-year-olds. And so, it wasn’t enough to hope Russian President Vladimir Putin was humiliated in Ukraine. You must HATE Putin, HATE all Russians and DEMAND America be on the “right side of history” to destroy Russia and Russians!

Within moments of the invasion, every sector of the organized left (Democrats, neocons, corporate media, entertainment, Big Business, and Big Tech) had mobilized to engineer this moral panic. This is “good versus evil,” they screamed! This is about preserving democracy! Where is your Ukrainian flag?!?! Where is your hatred for Putin, you Putin lover! How dare you read Tolstoy!

We also saw — and this was the most crucial part of the plot — Biden lifted on the shoulders of this moral panic as our warrior and champion. The narrative immediately turned away from record inflation and surging violent crime to Amazing Joe Biden Organizes World Against Evil Putin!

In summation… The two-part plot was to 1) manipulate the public into a moral panic where we cared about Ukraine and only Ukraine, and 2) present Biden as the competent, strong, moral wartime leader and champion of that crusade. The result was supposed to be a presidential reboot, which is the only thing that could save Biden’s presidency and the Democrat party’s backsides in the upcoming midterms.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Again the fact you can’t answer a simple question shows you are either trolling or denying reality
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I have answered the question plenty. Russia is only partly at fault and their military operation was justified. That doesn't make me pro-Russian, it just means we disagree in our assessment. As Scott Adams would say, we see 2 movies being played on the same screen. Again, no matter how we got here, we are here. So, realistically, do you expect a Country who is a winning a war to pack up and go home without accomplishing their goals? Come on.
 
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