War in Ukraine

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615vols said:
Remember when you claimed Putin was being precise and strategic in his attacks to avoid civilian deaths and destruction of civilian infrastructure? “For the children”
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No he doesn’t, he is celebrating financial penalties that aren’t as effective as hoped in the place of direct military action.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Well, if I'm counting correctly, there are eleven countries on Russia's borders that are entirely or partially in Europe. Of the six countries which are not in NATO, Russia has sent troops into five of them this year (counting the Russian troops in the "breakaway" regions of Georgia, the peacekeepers in Nagorno-Karabakh, and the recent intervention in Kazakhstan). The exception is Finland.
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They were controlled by Nazis, threatening Russia militarily, and members of the western death cults.
 
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AM64 said:
Sweden turns out some very nice military hardware, too.
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Not only do they have nice hardware, they make nice hardware. Sweden and Finland both have very seasoned special forces units who spent serious time in Afghanistan. Now Ukrainian SOF has only existed for like 5 years, and their only engagements have been with Russia so far. They have received training from US SOF and are giving Russia hell. That tells me Russia gets smoked by any NATO or modern Nordic country with an established and experienced military.
 
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volgr said:
Ukraine doesn't have nor did they have the means to drag this out without years of western involvement. Again, Ukraine is meaningless in all this. NATO/US have been wanting this fight for a long time and it wouldn't surprise me to see them eventually put boots on the ground.
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One would think a “militarized” threatening neighbor wouldn’t need military charity three days after the invasion started. IF NATO wanted to fight Russia it would have occurred decades ago, you do realize Russia supplied arms and training in Vietnam and Korea? Do you also realize Iraq was fighting with Russian made weapons in both wars? The notion that NATO is itching to fight Russia is complete nonsense. Russia invaded Ukraine thinking it would be a cakewalk and the World would largely ignore it like it did in previous regional conflicts.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Saw some Ukrainians being interviewed in a town newly liberated from fleeing Russians and they said the Ruskies were shocked that Ukrainians lived in houses made of brick, had laptops, and ate Nutella. These are elite luxury items to most Russians apparently.
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Russia is a third world country. Basically Mexico with Nukes
 
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Some amazing stuff in here especially if anyone has served in the military:
Russians start to see evidence of high military casualties in Ukraine

Holy sh!t..this is in less than 60 days...
BBC Russian, which has kept a confirmed count of the number of Russian losses, has said that 217 of its 1,083 confirmed Russian war dead were officers, from junior lieutenants to generals. Senior Russian officers often fight alongside their units because decisions must be confirmed by higher-ranking personnel.
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Their elite forces taking it in the pants..and deserting.
Of the confirmed deaths in the military, more than 15% come from Russia’s elite airborne, or VDV, units. The high number of losses among those units has also been accompanied by reports of desertions.
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NorthDallas40 said:
Let’s see if I can formulate sack carrier first class @volgr ’s response.

“But the Azov Battalion….!”
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So now we are clinging to every word someone posts on twitter. I'm not saying I am denying that these things happened but are they verifiable?

The easily swayed is thick on both sides with emotions and assumptions. Feelings lead us to believe it must all be true because another documented issue was provable. It once again proves we believe what we want to believe.

Irony? The Matrix.
 
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BreatheUT said:
So now we are clinging to every word someone posts on twitter. I'm not saying I am denying that these things happened but are they verifiable?

The easily swayed is thick on both sides with emotions and assumptions. Feelings lead us to believe it must all be true because another documented issue was provable. It once again proves we believe what we want to believe.

Irony? The Matrix.
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The post I replied to had two tweets tied to the railway station massacre. I’d submit there’s plenty of evidence to clearly indicate the incident went down exactly as it’s been reported and you bet I’ll believe that those Russian bastards purposely attacked a civilian railway depot. Take issue with the first tweet as unsubstantiated all you want. I’d submit the last two are iron tight.
 
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What if:
the purpose of invading Ukraine to have the U.S. and West to impose sanctions - a certainty - and establish the ruble as a global competitive currency? And concurrently open the door for the yuan to do the same? And a pan-African currency as Ghaddafi had pondered? Does it make less sense than Russia's scattershot rationale for the invasion? Would Putin rather have a petro-ruble or eastern-border Ukraine, or both?

And what if our president is compromised by his family's business dealings in Russia, China, and Ukraine during his vice presidential tenure? To say nothing of his promise to the most leftist president in history and the 'democratic' socialists who infest congress - ?

The Great Reset of the World Economic Forum motto is 'Build Back Better' https://www3.weforum.org/docs/WEF_Building_Back_Better_2020.pdf and To build back better, we will have to reinvent capitalism - and the UN uses the exact agenda phrase Building back better - Leadership #ForNature - and is Biden's motto.

The line from 'The Usual Suspects' is "the greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist". I think viewing the Democrat WH and congress as 'crazy' or insanity when it comes to national defense (including the border), fiscal policy, defunding police & supporting general lawlessness, using education as Marxist advocacy platform - is nonsense; no one is this dumb. That includes far too many Republicans, btw.

If I were engaged in subversion of the republic, I'd much rather be viewed as loony than treasonous. Loony allows me to operate with impunity; treason can net imprisonment or death penalty.
 
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Institute for the Study of War:

"Russian forces are increasingly refusing to reenter combat, and the Kremlin remains unlikely to quickly redeploy effective forces from northeastern Ukraine to operations in Donbas. The Ukrainian General Staff reported that more than 80% of personnel in some unspecified Russian units previously involved in combat operations are refusing to return to the front.[1] Russian commanders are reportedly refusing to release soldiers whose service contracts have expired, forcing them to stay with their units. The Ukrainian GUR (Military Intelligence) claimed to have intercepted a letter from Russian Chief of Missile Troops and Artillery Mikhail Matveevsky to several Russian training centers calling for further censorship of troops undergoing training, and encouraged propaganda highlighting the monetary benefits of serving in the war."
 
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NCFisher said:
What if:
the purpose of invading Ukraine to have the U.S. and West to impose sanctions - a certainty - and establish the ruble as a global competitive currency? And concurrently open the door for the yuan to do the same? And a pan-African currency as Ghaddafi had pondered? Does it make less sense than Russia's scattershot rationale for the invasion? Would Putin rather have a petro-ruble or eastern-border Ukraine, or both?

And what if our president is compromised by his family's business dealings in Russia, China, and Ukraine during his vice presidential tenure? To say nothing of his promise to the most leftist president in history and the 'democratic' socialists who infest congress - ?

The Great Reset of the World Economic Forum motto is 'Build Back Better' https://www3.weforum.org/docs/WEF_Building_Back_Better_2020.pdf and To build back better, we will have to reinvent capitalism - and the UN uses the exact agenda phrase Building back better - Leadership #ForNature - and is Biden's motto.

The line from 'The Usual Suspects' is "the greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist". I think viewing the Democrat WH and congress as 'crazy' or insanity when it comes to national defense (including the border), fiscal policy, defunding police & supporting general lawlessness, using education as Marxist advocacy platform - is nonsense; no one is this dumb. That includes far too many Republicans, btw.

If I were engaged in subversion of the republic, I'd much rather be viewed as loony than treasonous. Loony allows me to operate with impunity; treason can net imprisonment or death penalty.
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You lost me at the ruble as the reserve currency and a Pan-African currency. Africa is far too fractured politically and economically to even begin to conceive of that in the next decade. The ruble is far too prone to inflation for reserve currency status. Do I think China would love to be in that position? Without a doubt
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Saw some Ukrainians being interviewed in a town newly liberated from fleeing Russians and they said the Ruskies were shocked that Ukrainians lived in houses made of brick, had laptops, and ate Nutella. These are elite luxury items to most Russians apparently.
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The Ruskies should be glad they don't have Nutella. That stuff is poison for people and the planet.
 
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