War in Ukraine

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KB5252 said:
To deter a possible Russian proliferation taking into account Georgia. Quit pretending the west is the aggressor in this land grab.
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The west is an aggressor and has been an aggressor and that doesn't mean Russia is innocent in all this either.
 
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volgr said:
No, the 2 belligerents are Russia and the West. Ukraine is a meaningless western puppet in all this.
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We must be really masterful puppet masters because I really wonder if this country would show the kind of resolve that Ukraine has; and try as I might, I cannot convince myself that we would. We can't even stand up to an invasion of unarmed border jumpers ... even when the will has been there. Personally, I think we should change the name to Disunited States of America, and just proclaim we don't stand for what we used to - and that's absolutely not meant in any positive way.
 
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LouderVol said:
Again the only ones dragging this out are Russia and Ukraine.
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Ukraine doesn't have nor did they have the means to drag this out without years of western involvement. Again, Ukraine is meaningless in all this. NATO/US have been wanting this fight for a long time and it wouldn't surprise me to see them eventually put boots on the ground.
 
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AM64 said:
It seems pretty much that anybody who has been ruled by the Russians for some strange reason has developed a very fond hatred for Russians. I'm going to be very disappointed when somebody doesn't take the Kaliningrad Oblast away from Russian. It should be owned by either Poland, Lithuania, or divided between them. It's one of those places you know damn well (and as history shows) never originally lay in Russian paws.
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Nein. Es ist Deutsch!!!! 😂 Königsberg. Ost Prussien für immer
 
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KB5252 said:
Russia is the aggressor, this is land grab and has been. The west is a factor, not the aggressor.
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I'd really really like to believe the west (at least the US) is a factor because we still believe in freedom and assisting other countries in gaining or holding freedom, but the other less honorable aspect may be that we are just helping someone lessen the power of a common enemy.
 
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volgr said:
Ukraine doesn't have nor did they have the means to drag this out without years of western involvement. Again, Ukraine is meaningless in all this. NATO/US have been wanting this fight for a long time and it wouldn't surprise me to see them eventually put boots on the ground.
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If the US under the current administration put troops on the ground against Russia, then it would be a colossal mistake. Ukraine isn’t even a member of NATO. People can bish about Trump and rightfully so but I don’t believe he would even think about sending troops into a regional conflict in Europe under the current circumstances ffs.
 
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Gandalf said:
Thats pretty interesting actually. What is especially interesting is that while the ebb and flow of taking and losing territory in other areas seems natural, the troop movement in the north around Kyiv is clearly a redployment of some sort. It wasn't that Ukraine troops took that area so much as Russians just seem to have left. Why? I dont know. Were they a distraction as they said or did the assessment come in that due to unexpected losses, they would not be able to continue to push forward?

The one thing that tells me this is just beginning though - if you were going to have negotiations and "settle" for the South Eastern gains, you keep your troops around Kyiv so you have a credible threat there to negotiate away at the table. That they are not doing that makes me think they are about to re-concentrate forces and smash through target areas in Eastern Ukraine. I mean, why not use all that space from your ally Belarus, unless maybe they are having misgivings or something else? Maybe when all Ukrainian forces are far South then Belarus hits from the North.
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They are in full blown retreat mode. Their original plan was Kyiv in 3 days or bust. They chose bust. What they are doing now is running away back towards the breakaway area to focus around there. They most likely realize they can only make gains near the territory they already had from 2014. Now the rest of the civilized world gets to restock Ukraine...and then some.
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
If the US under the current administration put troops on the ground against Russia, then it would be a colossal mistake. Ukraine isn’t even a member of NATO. People can bish about Trump and rightfully so but I don’t believe he would even think about sending troops into a regional conflict in Europe under the current circumstances ffs.
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We've been training those old soviet bloc countries for years. That, and giving them some gear, is about all we are going to do until Russia makes another tactical mistake and hits a NATO country.
 
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allvol123 said:
So they aren’t Nazis now?

They’re just really stupid or love the US so much they’re willing to die for us?
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Weird how his narrative shifts depending on which turd sandwich he's taking a bite of.

"It's Russia versus the west, Ukraine is just a puppet. Unless I need it to be about the denazificaton of the fascist Kiev politicians who all serve at the pleasure of the Azov battalion. I'll let you know which lane I'm in at the time of the next argument." - @volger


😂 what a bozo this guy is.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
We've been training those old soviet bloc countries for years. That, and giving them some gear, is about all we are going to do until Russia makes another tactical mistake and hits a NATO country.
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OrangeTsar said:
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As the years have passed, I've found less and less fondness for Kissinger. His description of Realpolitik with respect to the "diplomat" while reasonably honest "the ability to recognize the real relationship of forces and to make this knowledge serve his ends" is nothing more than opportunism. If you stand for something worth standing for and opportunity comes your way, that's fortunate; if you sell your values short to take advantage of opportunity, that's betrayal.
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
If the US under the current administration put troops on the ground against Russia, then it would be a colossal mistake. Ukraine isn’t even a member of NATO. People can bish about Trump and rightfully so but I don’t believe he would even think about sending troops into a regional conflict in Europe under the current circumstances ffs.
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That is where this is headed. I don't see either the US or EU tempering their statements as this drags on, only ratcheting up the rhetoric. All the while, the media is conditioning the public for war.
 
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