War in Ukraine

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#24,627
Septic said:
My member number on VN is 848, so I've been around this forum for a LONG time...... And I've seen some misguided knucklehead beat downs. Over the last 18 years, I've never seen anyone had their position so thoroughly dismantled and stuffed in the garbage like @volger s have been. Every talking point he touches gets lit up like a Russian BMP driving through the Ukrainian countryside, left smoldering on the side of the road.

It's both amusing and bewildering and I can't look away.
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Your confident stupidity continues...imagine my shock
 
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MontyPython said:
Wut?

What "hostility" did Ukraine initiate against Russia in 2014?
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Damn man, Ras and to a lesser extent myself, have been over the history. Either pick up some books on the subject and give reading a try or not. I'm not rehashing it. If you disagree and want to live in the deluded western reality, go for it.
 
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LouderVol said:
Self defense to invade someone absolutely no risk to invade you. Yeah.......
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Who was a threat to invade the US on our many military misadventures around the globe? This isnt "whataboutism" but a good example of the broad scope of self defense a Country can claim.

You may not like it, I dont either, but it is what it is and our Country largely wrote the book on it.
 
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volgr said:
Damn man, Ras and to a lesser extent myself, have been over the history. Either pick up some books on the subject and give reading a try or not. I'm not rehashing it. If you disagree and want to live in the deluded western reality, go for it.
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Ukrainians gave Viktor Yanukovych the boot because he got bought off by Putin to align them with ol' mother Russia instead of Europe.

Was a great thing for 🇺🇦.
 
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#24,635
volgr said:
Weapons, training, funding, etc. It's almost as if...nooo, cant be.....
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As if Russia invaded them? Is that what you cant grasp?

That your narrative against NATO fell apart? Russia wasnt a threat to anyone. Just russia sitting their minding their own business. Then boom. Full blown invasion of a neighboring country, justifying the existence of NATO, and countries wanting to be part of it.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Before WWII they most certainly did
There is a long history between Finland and Russia. Finland was actually ruled by Russia during Tsarist times.
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It seems pretty much that anybody who has been ruled by the Russians for some strange reason has developed a very fond hatred for Russians. I'm going to be very disappointed when somebody doesn't take the Kaliningrad Oblast away from Russian. It should be owned by either Poland, Lithuania, or divided between them. It's one of those places you know damn well (and as history shows) never originally lay in Russian paws.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
No I didn’t you fool! I pointed out like others that you over stated the amount just like you are now. At least keep your bull **** consistent you fool! 🤡
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It was Ricky who intimated the tweet stating 2 Azov Nazi's addressed the Greek Parliament wasnt accurate, which you liked, however.

So, it was accurate and now you want to attack the number of Greeks who either walked out or spoke out. Ya know, you could just admit Zelensky shouldnt have allowed Nazi's to address the Greek Parliament. Why is that so hard to admit?
 
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LouderVol said:
As if Russia invaded them? Is that what you cant grasp?

That your narrative against NATO fell apart? Russia wasnt a threat to anyone. Just russia sitting their minding their own business. Then boom. Full blown invasion of a neighboring country, justifying the existence of NATO, and countries wanting to be part of it.
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Look *******, the response wasnt to you. If you want to jump in, at least be on topic to what I was reaponding to.
 
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volgr said:
Arent involved?? Hellllllooooo???? Wake the **** up.
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Yeah, they arent making the decision if the war goes on or not. That's down to Russia or Ukraine only. You keep making up bs, but unless you believe it was the CIA driving Russian t90s you dont have an internally consistent argument.

The two belligerents are Russia and Ukraine.
The two nations at war are Russia and Ukraine. The two people who can make peace are Russia and Ukraine. No US, no NATO.

You have absolutely zero facts to offer against it so you only provide exasperation, and not verifiable facts or even links to third parties.
 
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volgr said:
It was Ricky who intimated the tweet stating 2 Azov Nazi's addressed the Greek Parliament wasnt accurate, which you liked, however.

So, it was accurate and now you want to attack the number of Greeks who either walked out or spoke out. Ya know, you could just admit Zelensky shouldnt have allowed Nazi's to address the Greek Parliament. Why is that so hard to admit?
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You are literally parsing on two vs three out of THREE HUNDRED parliament members that it is a “significant amount”. It is not. You continue your disingenuous misrepresentation of what happened on the Greek parliament instance. And you deflect or outright lie when called on your continued dumbassery across the board. You’re a clown Putin shill. 🤡
 
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volgr said:
Who was a threat to invade the US on our many military misadventures around the globe? This isnt "whataboutism" but a good example of the broad scope of self defense a Country can claim.

You may not like it, I dont either, but it is what it is and our Country largely wrote the book on it.
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It's called colonialism. You might want to read our history to see if we wrote that book or not.

Russia, not the soviets, Russia, has been doing it before we were ever colonized. Including Ukrainian territory.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
It’s a sad and hilarious train wreck happening in real time and yeah it’s impossible to not mock the blatant stupidity. Ras has also raised the bar on his dumbassery on this topic but Volgr is clearly in the lead.

Also wrong @volgr might want to edit.
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Is "Volgr" just a clever twist on "Volga" by a mole hidden here earlier just in case the Russians needed a botnik?
 
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luthervol said:
not really funny at all...it makes perfect sense to me.
Personally, I'm glad we do not have anti-aircraft weaponry floating easily through the hands of the general public.
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Yeah because we know those AA guns would go wild on their own and starts shooting a planes. Outside places like Chicago and a lot of major cities with gangs who own guns without respect to any laws, do you honestly think a rational person owning an AA gun would shoot at planes? Do you think the criminal element would stop at getting their hands on one if they wanted it? How many of the criminal element go down to the neighborhood gun store, submit to background checks, and buy guns?
 
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