War in Ukraine

[Rickyvol77]

THATS RACIST!!!

I really had reservations about this meme

 

[Rickyvol77]

You are so pathetic. Like talking to a 5 year old. Use whatever emotive phrases you like, in the end you offer no solutions other than to watch unnecessary slaughter.

Russia is the main cause of and perpetuating the unnecessary slaughter. Ukrainians have the right to self defense from a hostile invasion

 

[Septic]

Russia is the main cause of and perpetuating the unnecessary slaughter. Ukrainians have the right to self defense from a hostile invasion

He's so nonchalant and natural about readily employing defeatism, he'd make the French blush. I suspect that he may also be a Vandy fan.

 

[DonjoVol]

The scenario makes winners out of those with the most natural resources and ability to be self sufficient. The US could be one of those, if our political class wasnt corrupt.

That's one thing they don't seem to comprehend. We don't need Russia and Russia doesn't need us. They could have a thriving economy on their own without doing business with the U.S. and Western Europe.

 

[hog88]

That's one thing they don't seem to comprehend. We don't need Russia and Russia doesn't need us. They could have a thriving economy on their own without doing business with the U.S. and Western Europe.

LOL I wouldn't count on that.

 

[volgr]

Russia is the main cause of and perpetuating the unnecessary slaughter. Ukrainians have the right to self defense from a hostile invasion

Again, spoken like a 5 year old. Regardless of who is at fault or who has the right to self defense or sovereign borders, blah, blah, blah. We get it. There is hundreds of pages in this thread bickering about whose more at fault.

None of that matters now, does it? It changes nothing at this point. Accept reality and move forward. Russia isn't leaving, they will win and now the only question is how much more unnecessary casualties are you willing to accept? Unless you are under some delusion that Ukraine can win without NATO troop involvement.

 

[KB5252]

You think that change in Ukraine coincidentally happened as they became more friendly with NATO?

So the sentiment wasn't legit and he was just paying lip service to his puppet's country? When the people reject him and his proxy control he hates and wants to murder them?

You're almost there...... Keep going!

 

[hog88]

Again, spoken like a 5 year old. Regardless of who is at fault or who has the right to self defense or sovereign borders, blah, blah, blah. We get it. There is hundreds of pages in this thread bickering about whose more at fault.

None of that matters now, does it? It changes nothing at this point. Accept reality and move forward. Russia isn't leaving, they will win and now the only question is how much more unnecessary casualties are you willing to accept? Unless you are under some delusion that Ukraine can win without NATO troop involvement.

The afgans sure didn't take this approach and ran the Russians out, same with the N Vietnamese. It may take years but yeah the Ukrainians can win. There is no W for Putin at this point.

 

[volgr]

That's one thing they don't seem to comprehend. We don't need Russia and Russia doesn't need us. They could have a thriving economy on their own without doing business with the U.S. and Western Europe.

Sadly though, many parts of the world with less resources, do need and depend on both the US and Russia. Again, the famine and civil unrest we will see this year will he brutal. The World would be a much better place if our Countries could grow the eff up and get along.

 

[LouderVol]

He made a public speech in a stadium to hundreds of thousands of Russians. Unlike little Z with the green screen.

Z is in a country under siege. Getting hundreds yet alone thousands together would be improbable and incredibly unsafe in a time of war. Putin had to bus in the people for his "celebration".

 

[volgr]

The afgans sure didn't take this approach and ran the Russians out, same with the N Vietnamese. It may take years but yeah the Ukrainians can win. There is no W for Putin at this point.

Totally different scenario and I dont think any honest military analyst believes Ukraine is keeping Donbas and southern Ukraine from the Russians.

 

[volgr]

Z is in a country under siege. Getting hundreds yet alone thousands together would be improbable and incredibly unsafe in a time of war. Putin had to bus in the people for his "celebration".

We dont really know where Z is.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Again, spoken like a 5 year old. Regardless of who is at fault or who has the right to self defense or sovereign borders, blah, blah, blah. We get it. There is hundreds of pages in this thread bickering about whose more at fault.

None of that matters now, does it? It changes nothing at this point. Accept reality and move forward. Russia isn't leaving, they will win and now the only question is how much more unnecessary casualties are you willing to accept? Unless you are under some delusion that Ukraine can win without NATO troop involvement.

Of course it matters. This is 100% Russia and Putin’s fault to make the decision to invade another country and kill innocents. It’s not the Ukrainian’s fault that a foreign nation invaded them and started killing their citizens. Putin can admit he was wrong and end this anytime he chooses with NO more casualties on either side. It’s not 5 yr old thinking. It’s called simple common sense. But of course when you have to make excuses for illegal actions of fascist autocrats, you tend to look silly

 

[Rickyvol77]

Sadly though, many parts of the world with less resources, do need and depend on both the US and Russia. Again, the famine and civil unrest we will see this year will he brutal. The World would be a much better place if our Countries could grow the eff up and get along.

Boo hoo. Welcome to the world

 

[hog88]

Totally different scenario and I dont think any honest military analyst believes Ukraine is keeping Donbas and southern Ukraine from the Russians.

It may take a few years but the Ukrainians can make keeping them cost more than the Russians want to pay. Putin is almost 70 so at best he's got 10 years left behind the big desk, when he's gone Russia will be lucky to avoid a civil war.

 

[volgr]

Boo hoo. Welcome to the world

Ahh, now you accept the harsh realities of the world. You done whining about muh sovereign borders and mommy, Russia started it...and accept reality as it is? I doubt it.

 

[Septic]

That's one thing they don't seem to comprehend. We don't need Russia and Russia doesn't need us. They could have a thriving economy on their own without doing business with the U.S. and Western Europe.

Then the sanctions will have no effect at all.

Time will tell if the economists are wrong about the GDP retraction and inflation. Someone may also want to tell the Russian central bank that the 20% interest rate isn't necessary.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Ahh, now you accept the harsh realities of the world. You done whining about muh sovereign borders and mommy, Russia started it...and accept reality as it is? I doubt it.

No I’m just stating please give me a year in human history that there wasn’t famine or droughts or fighting. Still doesn’t mean that a country is allowed to illegally invade another and then cry about their casualties

 

[volgr]

It may take a few years but the Ukrainians can make keeping them cost more than the Russians want to pay. Putin is almost 70 so at best he's got 10 years left behind the big desk, when he's gone Russia will be lucky to avoid a civil war.

No. Those unlucky Ukrainian forces trapped in the Donbas will be slaugtered at a much higher ratio than Russian forces. They are sitting ducks. Once those forces are lost and Russia controls Donbas, there is no way it drags on for years as you hope. Ukraine will have a fraction of its military left with no infrastructure to support them.

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

Russia 'sends soldiers responsible for Bucha war crimes back to front to be killed', says Ukraine | Daily Mail Online

 

[Gandalf]

I really had reservations about this meme

Perhaps it will make your inner progressive feel better knowing that ol Iron Eyes Cody was a guinea wop Italian dago, not an actual "native American".

And isn't it nice we can call any other ethnicities (except maybe Jews and native Americans) the equivalent of the N-word without it being a problem? Only the N-word is derogatory apparently.

 

[KB5252]

Again, spoken like a 5 year old. Regardless of who is at fault or who has the right to self defense or sovereign borders, blah, blah, blah. We get it. There is hundreds of pages in this thread bickering about whose more at fault.

None of that matters now, does it? It changes nothing at this point. Accept reality and move forward. Russia isn't leaving, they will win and now the only question is how much more unnecessary casualties are you willing to accept? Unless you are under some delusion that Ukraine can win without NATO troop involvement.

Here's what you don't understand. It's not up to you or me to decide when enough is. It's up to the people of Ukraine. If they want to fight to the death it's the right decision for them. If they want to surrender this afternoon it's the right decision for them. They have the right to self determination.

 

[KB5252]

Again, spoken like a 5 year old. Regardless of who is at fault or who has the right to self defense or sovereign borders, blah, blah, blah. We get it. There is hundreds of pages in this thread bickering about whose more at fault.

None of that matters now, does it? It changes nothing at this point. Accept reality and move forward. Russia isn't leaving, they will win and now the only question is how much more unnecessary casualties are you willing to accept? Unless you are under some delusion that Ukraine can win without NATO troop involvement.

Here's what you don't understand. It's not up to you or me to decide when enough is. It's up to the people of Ukraine. If they want to fight to the death it's the right decision for them. If they want to surrender this afternoon it's the right decision for them. They have the right to send determination.

Totally different scenario and I dont think any honest military analyst believes Ukraine is keeping Donbas and southern Ukraine from the Russians.

But they could make it costly to keep, similar strategy.

 

[Septic]

No. Those unlucky Ukrainian forces trapped in the Donbas will be slaugtered at a much higher ratio than Russian forces. They are sitting ducks. Once those forces are lost and Russia controls Donbas, there is no way it drags on for years as you hope. Ukraine will have a fraction of its military left with no infrastructure to support them.

You'll have to forgive everyone who doesn't see your deluded vision, you've failed at every level to recognize the turd sandwich Pootin bit into last month. Or why it won't somehow magically start tasting better as his forces are faced with retreating and regrouping.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Red man, is in fact - bad.

I look forward to the sanctions of putting the screws deeper into Russia - paying a little more for gas is a small price to pay for being on the right side of morality.

Hell, I welcome it and I will sleep better at night with the satisfaction that your soft ass is crying about it.

Where was this eagerness when we were invading Syria or even now was we are helping the KSA destroy Yemen?