War in Ukraine

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volgr said:
I hate being right so often...
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You mean Germany is causing harm to their own economy because they finally woke up to the fact that Russia is a douchebag of a country and had been for the last century? What exactly are you right about? You are like the slow witted boy at school who thinks he is popular because he makes everyone laugh but fails to recognize they are laughing at him.
 
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volgr said:
I havent commented on whether I believe them. I just provided their explanation. I will say, their explanation is more consistent with Russian actions thus far and the atrocities are more characteristic of what we have seen from some Ukrainian forces. Doesnt mean a rogue Russian unit didnt do this, but it is highly questionable.
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And with several thousand Russian troops engaged in this, that can't be taken off the table. However, the mayor celebrating the city's liberation the day after the Russians left without mentioning any atrocities, but as soon as the Azov goons come in, then they find bodies is very suspicious.
 
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luthervol said:
By rest of the world I mean every country with the resources and experience to cover global news.
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And the ability to form opinion and craft a narrative.

You had WION from India posting unbiased news that YouTube ended up dropping for a few days because they were engaged in non-narrative based reporting. Does India count?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
And the ability to form opinion and craft a narrative.

You had WION from India posting unbiased news that YouTube ended up dropping for a few days because they were engaged in non-narrative based reporting. Does India count?
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Does he mean the same nations that have spewed lies about COVID and used fake photos to push a false narrative of a virus with a 98-99% survival rate is so deadly that bodies are lining the streets?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
And the ability to form opinion and craft a narrative.

You had WION from India posting unbiased news that YouTube ended up dropping for a few days because they were engaged in non-narrative based reporting. Does India count?
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YouTube also banned The Hill for a week as well as taking off Chris Hedges segments from RT off his channel. Hedges is about as left as you can get.

But I've been assured there's nothing to worry about. Just a private business doing "whatever" and "anything" they want.
 
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0nelilreb said:
Oh come on , we spent 5 years watching everybody on the planet ask for dirt on Trump , the man and the Trump family was under the largest intel microscope of any candidate or sitting POTUS that we’ve ever seen . “ May want to sit this one out “ 😂😂😂
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It's not that he's digging up dirt (that's politics), it's the horrendous optics that he's asking Putin to help with it, again.

It's beyond tone deaf for a former POTUS to seek favors from a war criminal despot to malign a sitting POTUS in hopes to unseat him. It's not hard to imagine how Putin could see great benefit in helping Trump and how that could translate into favorable treatment on the backside of this war.

"Give me what I need and if I win, I'll cut you a break" is just the kind of sh*t I would expect from a shiester like Trump.

None of this means that I support Biden or his junkie kid, I don't.
 
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Septic said:
It's not that he's digging up dirt (that's politics), it's the horrendous optics that he's asking Putin to help with it, again.

It's beyond tone deaf for a former POTUS to seek favors from a war criminal despot to malign a sitting POTUS in hopes to unseat him. It's not hard to imagine how Putin could see great benefit in helping Trump and how that could translate into favorable treatment on the backside of this war.

"Give me what I need and if I win, I'll cut you a break" is just the kind of sh*t I would expect from a shiester like Trump.

None of this means that I support Biden or his junkie kid, I don't.
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This is a very polite way of saying it.. I prefer f#####g R######d.
 
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Septic said:
It's not that he's digging up dirt (that's politics), it's the horrendous optics that he's asking Putin to help with it, again.

It's beyond tone deaf for a former POTUS to seek favors from a war criminal despot to malign a sitting POTUS in hopes to unseat him. It's not hard to imagine how Putin could see great benefit in helping Trump and how that could translate into favorable treatment on the backside of this war.

"Give me what I need and if I win, I'll cut you a break" is just the kind of sh*t I would expect from a shiester like Trump.

None of this means that I support Biden or his junkie kid, I don't.
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So Putin wants Trump in because... ???

Can you explain how this helps Putin?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
And the ability to form opinion and craft a narrative.

You had WION from India posting unbiased news that YouTube ended up dropping for a few days because they were engaged in non-narrative based reporting. Does India count?
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The limited WION reporting that I watched seemed reasonable.
It's been a few days since I watched it, but I think the video that got them temporarily banned was some Russian official claiming that they had not invaded Ukraine, or something similar. There was no commentary. Just a speech posted by WION as if they didn't have any problem with it.
When a local TV station sells an infomercial about "the greatest mop ever invented in the history of the universe" they normally have a lead-in saying that the management of the station is not necessarily endorsing the message. That would have been enough.
As you indicated, a few days later WION was back. I don't see evidence of Russia reinstating a free press.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Zelensky's nickname is "big balls" because he stood up to the Russian War Machine and stayed in Kiev when it was under fire. Zelensky's stand was probably what saved Ukraine. I think the Ukrainians would have rolled over if not for that.
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If you really believe that, you poor soul.
 
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Gandalf said:
I am also not sure how much I believe these reports of Russian atrocities, especially when they know that Ukraine is looking for material to paint them further as war criminals. The idea that Ukraine would murder its own in a false flag type operation also seems farfetched but is possible of course as is them making up stories of atrocities, complete with video as we have often seen Palestinians do against Israel. Because in case you forgot, Ukraine's only way to win this war is to keep Western powers engaged and involved, so all things are suspect.
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Which seems more probable to you: (a) the Ukrainians/Chechens/Georgains all killed their own people, partially buried some of them, for the publicity; or (b) the Russians did it?
 
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Septic said:
It's not that he's digging up dirt (that's politics), it's the horrendous optics that he's asking Putin to help with it, again.

It's beyond tone deaf for a former POTUS to seek favors from a war criminal despot to malign a sitting POTUS in hopes to unseat him. It's not hard to imagine how Putin could see great benefit in helping Trump and how that could translate into favorable treatment on the backside of this war.

"Give me what I need and if I win, I'll cut you a break" is just the kind of sh*t I would expect from a shiester like Trump.

None of this means that I support Biden or his junkie kid, I don't.
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Didn’t Obama go around talking to all the world leaders about Trump before he had a chance to meet with them ? They are ALL trash .
 
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