War in Ukraine

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Septic said:
Definition of TU QUOQUE

The "you too" logical fallacy originated circa 1614.

Stop embarrassing yourself, avoiding having to answer by attempting o turn the tables isn't the get out of jail card you believe it to be. Refuting facts with an accusation instead of addressing them is a losing gambit.

How many times does this need to be pointed out to you?

If someone is wrong, tell them why and call them a hypocrite - but you need to formulate cogent articulable points as to why they are wrong. You aren't doing that.
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I've already addressed these issues plenty of times. You guys simply don't want to accept reality or the truth because you are in your feelz.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Who is that?
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Your boy Putin. And you make every excuse for him killing innocents, invading a sovereign country, locking his own political opposition up in prison or outright assassinating them, shutting down free press, etc. but you are all “he is far from perfect but”

It’s hilariously sad
 
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Johncarter53 said:
Interesting
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No no no... they must keep those sanctions in place, damnit!!! They must apply more pressure.

Also, let's really think about this. What scenario would have to happen for them to justify lifting sanctions? A Russian capitulation or defeat? If Russia capitulated, then why would they have any incentive to lift sanctions? They would have all of the leverage in the world to apply more pressure and crush Russia for good.

If Russia doesn't capitulate, then that means that leverage is on the side of the Russians. So explain how lifting sanctions after Russia successfully completes their objectives is wise? You would essentially be rewarding Russia or capitulating yourself.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Your boy Putin. And you make every excuse for him killing innocents, invading a sovereign country, locking his own political opposition up in prison or outright assassinating them, shutting down free press, etc. but you are all “he is far from perfect but”

It’s hilariously sad
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OK... you are silly. Putin so far is no Biden or Trudeau or MbS.
 
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Loving the videos of the "tactical withdrawal" that shows Russians abandoning their equipment, uniforms, and stolen "war trophies" and tactically running away..

Yep. In no way have they been routed by a smaller and less well equipped force. Its totally a "tactical repositioning of resources" of the "small force" that has been "liberating" Ukrainian from "Nazis"..

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWar...ussian_army_looted_everything_they_want_then/
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Loving the videos of the "tactical withdrawal" that shows Russians abandoning their equipment, uniforms, and stolen "war trophies" and tactically running away..

Yep. In no way have they been routed by a smaller and less well equipped force. Its totally a "tactical repositioning of resources" of the "small force" that has been "liberating" Ukrainian from "Nazis"..

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWar...ussian_army_looted_everything_they_want_then/
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No no no the classic Russian army redeployment is to always leave your rucksack, body armor, and weapon behind so as to speed up your redeployment
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I've already addressed these issues plenty of times. You guys simply don't want to accept reality or the truth because you are in your feelz.
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No one can understand for you that you keep using a terrible argumentative strategy. Coming to terms with this is your cross to bear.

It's not subjective that you are screwing this up, it's a logical fallacy to deflect and it's fooling no one.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Loving the videos of the "tactical withdrawal" that shows Russians abandoning their equipment, uniforms, and stolen "war trophies" and tactically running away..

Yep. In no way have they been routed by a smaller and less well equipped force. Its totally a "tactical repositioning of resources" of the "small force" that has been "liberating" Ukrainian from "Nazis"..

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWar...ussian_army_looted_everything_they_want_then/
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vulgr will tell you it's all part of the plan.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Before social media a few years ago came up with "whataboutism", it used to be common to highlight the inconsistency in people's gripes by showing how they behave in one instance, but behave differently in a similar instance.
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The Soviets invented it, as we understand it
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
No no no... they must keep those sanctions in place, damnit!!! They must apply more pressure.

Also, let's really think about this. What scenario would have to happen for them to justify lifting sanctions? A Russian capitulation or defeat? If Russia capitulated, then why would they have any incentive to lift sanctions? They would have all of the leverage in the world to apply more pressure and crush Russia for good.

If Russia doesn't capitulate, then that means that leverage is on the side of the Russians. So explain how lifting sanctions after Russia successfully completes their objectives is wise? You would essentially be rewarding Russia or capitulating yourself.
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You are the quintessential example of a monkey humping a football.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
So are you denying he’s done those things? Yes or no he has done them and more
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He likely has done some of that, but I also realize that the media and the White House also distorts the truth and we create enemies based on trumped nonsense. But I've already gone over this, Putin is no better or worse than any other world leader out here. far better than Biden, Trudeau or MbS.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
He likely has done some of that, but I also realize that the media and the White House also distorts the truth and we create enemies based on trumped nonsense. But I've already gone over this, Putin is no better or worse than any other world leader out here. far better than Biden, Trudeau or MbS.
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The fact that you hate those people and find fault with every move they make while continuing to prop up Pootin undermines your argument.

What else ya got?

It's been a couple of posts since you rolled the "but Syria" ball out on the field. Don't forget about that one.
 
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Septic said:
No one can understand for you that you keep using a terrible argumentative strategy. Coming to terms with this is your cross to bear.

It's not subjective that you are screwing this up, it's a logical fallacy to deflect and it's fooling no one.
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My arguments are based on the dire situation that I believe the world is in right now. Desperate times calls for desperate measures, and sometimes, you have to support people that you normally would not necessarily agree with in order to achieve a larger goal or address a more immediate threat. So if you want to slam me on that, I really don't care. I'm looking at a far different picture and a more complex situation we have going on right now. Ukraine represents a pivot point in our times right now. Either these globalists/Anglo-American tyrants are going to win there, and in term have the momentum they need to rule over this planet, or they will met up with this growing resistance from the rest of the world and cool their jets. They need to be defeated by any means necessary.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
My arguments are based on the dire situation that I believe the world is in right now. Desperate times calls for desperate measures, and sometimes, you have to support people that you normally would not necessarily agree with in order to achieve a larger goal or address a more immediate threat. So if you want to slam me on that, I really don't care. I'm looking at a far different picture and a more complex situation we have going on right now. Ukraine represents a pivot point in our times right now. Either these globalists/Anglo-American tyrants are going to win there, and in term have the momentum they need to rule over this planet, or they will met up with this growing resistance from the rest of the world and cool their jets. They need to be defeated by any means necessary.
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Is this the genesis of your beliefs that makes you float such logically bankrupt arguments?

A patriotic and altruistic belief that American and its allies are the real monsters for supporting a country that should have rolled over and let Russia rape it without lube?

Fascinating how your mind "works."

This is the meatgrinder that your boy pootin is sending unprepared kids into.

VERY NSFW
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
He likely has done some of that, but I also realize that the media and the White House also distorts the truth and we create enemies based on trumped nonsense. But I've already gone over this, Putin is no better or worse than any other world leader out here. far better than Biden, Trudeau or MbS.
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“Likely done those things” 😂
But the point as always is that you defend this fascist autocrat and call me “silly” for pointing out the hypocrisy. Meanwhile as stupid and terrible as Biden or Trudeau are I’ve yet to see them assassinate a journalist for writing something negative about them or for them to invade a sovereign country and lie about it
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
My arguments are based on the dire situation that I believe the world is in right now. Desperate times calls for desperate measures, and sometimes, you have to support people that you normally would not necessarily agree with in order to achieve a larger goal or address a more immediate threat. So if you want to slam me on that, I really don't care. I'm looking at a far different picture and a more complex situation we have going on right now. Ukraine represents a pivot point in our times right now. Either these globalists/Anglo-American tyrants are going to win there, and in term have the momentum they need to rule over this planet, or they will met up with this growing resistance from the rest of the world and cool their jets. They need to be defeated by any means necessary.
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Ras wants to execute doctors and nurses and police officers because his sovereign citizen mind is as an anarchist conspiracy theorist nutjob. The fact he is also a Soviet dupe just adds to the levels of mental illness
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
My arguments are based on the dire situation that I believe the world is in right now. Desperate times calls for desperate measures, and sometimes, you have to support people that you normally would not necessarily agree with in order to achieve a larger goal or address a more immediate threat. So if you want to slam me on that, I really don't care. I'm looking at a far different picture and a more complex situation we have going on right now. Ukraine represents a pivot point in our times right now. Either these globalists/Anglo-American tyrants are going to win there, and in term have the momentum they need to rule over this planet, or they will met up with this growing resistance from the rest of the world and cool their jets. They need to be defeated by any means necessary.
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sounds like a Timothy McVeigh or Osama Bin Laden. Guess you cheered for them too
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
“Likely done those things” 😂
But the point as always is that you defend this fascist autocrat and call me “silly” for pointing out the hypocrisy. Meanwhile as stupid and terrible as Biden or Trudeau are I’ve yet to see them assassinate a journalist for writing something negative about them or for them to invade a sovereign country and lie about it
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Clever that you didn't mention MbS with regards to assassinating journalists...
 
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