War in Ukraine

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Those of you attaching some conspiratorial meaning to Russia invading Ukraine other than a stronger nation exercising its control over a weaker nation for its resources and land is comical. As if this is some "global reset" which no one can define or explain in an actual meaningful way. Russia has had issues with Ukraine since the dawn of both civilizations. I do find it comical that our local Red Guards attach some altruistic meaning to their invasion as if they are somehow helping the people of Ukraine.
 
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KB5252 said:
I've seen some reports on social media it could be a false flag attack. Has Ukraine claimed responsibility?
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Umm a false flag attack during an already started war where Ukraine would be more than justified to actually attack Russia? Unless Russia is trying to galvanize support for a fledgling war, that would make some sense
 
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KB5252 said:
When a world order and centralized power is inevitably consolidated the market of ideas becomes dangerous. You have to know this.
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That's why it is so important that it evolve in the best way possible.

Trying to stop the inevitable is rarely the best way of negotiating the inevitable.
 
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utvolpj said:
There would be no autonomy. That's the point
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Sure there would be.
It's just the last layer of many already in place.
Think of your own situation.
Home
Community
Town
County
State
Region
Nation
Continent
Hemisphere
World
There are rules and expectations at every level. Nothing wrong with that.
 
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landscapingvol said:
Umm a false flag attack during an already started war where Ukraine would be more than justified to actually attack Russia? Unless Russia is trying to galvanize support for a fledgling war, that would make some sense
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Seems odd to me for it to be Russia, but if they felt they needed to justify an escalation.... Maybe.
 
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luthervol said:
That's why it is so important that it evolve in the best way possible.

Trying to stop the inevitable is rarely the best way of negotiating the inevitable.
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Why does it need to be inevitable? The only way it becomes inevitable is if we accept it.
 
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KB5252 said:
Why does it need to be inevitable? The only way it becomes inevitable is if we accept it.
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Because societies, form the smallest (families) to the largest (global), must have mutually agreed upon rules and regulations in order to function properly.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Remember, Russians are chess players. They make moves after planning the next 3-4 moves, clever folks. Now, about Chernobyl, I'm skeptical about them turning it over. Putin and his circle of evil can't be trusted. It wouldn't surprise me if during their occupation of Chernobyl, they sabotaged it. And later, there's an explosion or other mishap so they can fault Ukraine's for poisoning their own country. Never underestimate how far Putin will go, and right now, he's really peeved about Ukraine pretty much making his vaunted military look like amateurish nits.

What might be Puddin's next chess move? It might already be implemented. I decided to pretend I could enter Puddin's ear, make my way into his auditory nerve, from thence, enter his brain to see what he was thinking. GASP!!!!!! Here's what I found. ;) Any and all who are Putin-lovers, fire away!!!!!

View attachment 444039
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Dear Vlad, You don't need to waste Russian assets trying to pull something like that. We're managing fine on our own. Thanks
 
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landscapingvol said:
Umm a false flag attack during an already started war where Ukraine would be more than justified to actually attack Russia? Unless Russia is trying to galvanize support for a fledgling war, that would make some sense
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A large portion of the populace in Russia already support the war.
 
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luthervol said:
Because societies, form the smallest (families) to the largest (global), must have mutually agreed upon rules and regulations in order to function properly.
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That's bs, families play favorites all the time, just like societies. When you consolidate power you make it easier to impose upon others. I do not trust the government we have, why would I want a supergovernment?
 
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KB5252 said:
That's bs, families play favorites all the time, just like societies. When you consolidate power you make it easier to impose upon others. I do not trust the government we have, why would I want a supergovernment?
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Who said they didn't play favorites? Who said anything about wanting it? I said it was an inevitable necessity. Given that, people should work to make it as effective and efficient as possible.
 
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luthervol said:
Who said they didn't play favorites? Who said anything about wanting it? I said it was an inevitable necessity. Given that, people should work to make it as effective and efficient as possible.
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As I stated earlier, is only inevitable if w accept it. Why would we accept something we know and expect would be corrupt and work against the best interests of most people?
 
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volgr said:
A large portion of the populace in Russia already support the war.
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Of course they do. They see shortages, rising prices and soaring inflation. They are hearing of families losing their fathers and sons to war. They're scared and have no real information about what is transpiring.
 
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@Rasputin_Vol "What is there to explain?"

Why you portray 14000 dead in Donbas as citizens killed by Ukrainian shelling.

Civilian deaths account for the fewest, with Ukrainian military and separatist nationalists/Russian military/mercs being the most deaths respectively. How many civilian deaths were caused by UAF vs. the Russian separatists and military? You - and @DonjoVol @volgr - have doggedly painted a fiction of defenseless citizens in the two oblasts being shelled & slaughtered by Ukraine forces which simply isn't true.

Are you a propagandist or simply unaware that Russia has deployed tens of thousands of soldiers into Ukraine since 2014 and imported weaponry into the Donbas? Who do you think the separatists are, citizen soldiers just taking up arms for freedom with no training, weaponry or command by Russian military? Are you unaware of the shelling by Russia, from Russia and within the Ukraine borders? This is just some of the activity by Russian forces just from 2014-2015 and why Zelensky states they've been under invasion for eight years: https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Russian_military_intervention_in_Ukraine_(2014–present)#Cross-border_artillery_shelling
 
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KB5252 said:
As I stated earlier, is only inevitable if w accept it. Why would we accept something we know and expect would be corrupt and work against the best interests of most people?
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Rather you accept it or not, it is most definitely inevitable. Societies have never and will never function without rules and regulations.
 
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Moscow says Ukraine hit a fuel depot inside Russia

April 1 (Reuters) - Russia accused Ukraine of carrying out an air strike against a fuel depot in the Russian city of Belgorod on Friday, an incident the Kremlin said set an unfavourable tone for peace talks with Kyiv

Clearly this unprovoked violation of Russia’s sovereign boundaries by the Ukrainian invaders cannot be unanswered amirite @Rasputin_Vol ? 😂
 
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