War in Ukraine

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Filling the void Putin’s administration no longer hopes to take Kyiv. The Russian president has yet to make a final decision. — Meduza

"At the same time, officials in the Presidential Administration now fear that a “possible truce with Ukraine will impact Putin’s ratings.” “The citizenry has been overheated by the propaganda. Let’s say a decision is made to stop at the territory of the Donbas. What about the ‘Nazis’? Are we no longer fighting against them? This word has been hammered into people so much that I can’t imagine how we can stop at the Donbas without losing the authorities’ ratings,” said a spin doctor working with the Kremlin."

A Meduza source close to the AP foresaw problems stemming from another propaganda line — the swift “capture of Kyiv” and holding a “parade on Khreshchatyk” (the city’s main street). “And what do you say after that? That we changed our minds about taking Kyiv? Why? Yes, there aren’t so many real, staunch supporters of war to the very end, but this is a very vocal part of society, it’s already begun to make noise [after the negotiations in Istanbul],” he explained, pointing to the many comments from outraged “patriots” after the announcement about scaling back the assault on Kyiv.
 
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VolStrom said:
Germany is the most corrupt country in Europe. F'em I hope Russia rolls through Europe and devastates them like they deserve.
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What makes them corrupt in this instance? Germany has to make a decision that is best for Germany... not what will satisfy Biden and these other clowns. They need to not up and stop toying around with their economy and breakaway from this nonsense.

Also, the German side is saying that Germany will be allowed to pay in USD or Euros, but the Russians haven't confirmed or denied that claim.

We will know in a few hours what the real story is.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
What makes them corrupt in this instance? Germany has to make a decision that is best for Germany... not what will satisfy Biden and these other clowns. They need to not up and stop toying around with their economy and breakaway from this nonsense.
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Germany has been raping the US and most European countries for years by neglecting their obligation to pay their fair share of the cost of NATO. Instead of paying up, they let the US provide their military defense while they used that money to subsidize their manufacturing sector. As far as I'm concerned we should pull out of Europe completely and let them finance their own military and defense and we can do the same.
 
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volfanhill said:
Wow. You struggle with reading. Someone said no one was interacting with you. You claimed it was bc they "can't keep up." And I told you why you are full of ****. Now I have no interest in being "Donjo'd." You aren't a victim. You are a clown. Hence the well used term "Donjo'd."
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Wow you really are immature. And once again another debate I've won. You might want to save yourself future embarrassment and not respond to any more of my posts.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
So you are ok with our government sending Ukraine over 14 billion of our tax dollars? Why? Why is it that the US has to be the one who comes to everyone’s aid? Why don’t we let Ukraine fight it’s own battles? Or better yet, how about let all these other nations who are “standing with Ukraine” Chip in multiple billions?
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I explained it in the post you replied to. Like it or not we created this mess when we convinced Ukraine to give up their nukes. Cue the line from Animial House.

“You know where you f$@@ed up? You trusted us.”
 
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KB5252 said:
India can't make a worse partner, especially considering who Russia's only powerful ally is.
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I've always considered Indians - at least the ones allowed to be well educated - to be very intelligent. Their alignment with Russia is baffling. Sure they are getting a great deal on oil and military hardware, but it comes with an extreme downside - especially with Indian/Chinese enmity and Russian/Chinese alliance.
 
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VolStrom said:
Germany has been raping the US and most European countries for years by neglecting their obligation to pay their fair share of the cost of NATO. Instead of paying up, they let the US provide their military defense while they used that money to subsidize their manufacturing sector. As far as I'm concerned we should pull out of Europe completely and let them finance their own military and defense and we can do the same.
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Now should you anger be directed at Germany or should it be directed at America? We could have pulled out of Germany if the deal is one sided a long time ago.

Why get mad at Germany for doing the smart thing by subsidizing their domestic industries instead of spending money on military? Maybe we should be using the money we waste on the MIC and start building up our domestic industrial base.

You're taking your frustration out on the wrong people.
 
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VolStrom said:
Germany has been raping the US and most European countries for years by neglecting their obligation to pay their fair share of the cost of NATO. Instead of paying up, they let the US provide their military defense while they used that money to subsidize their manufacturing sector. As far as I'm concerned we should pull out of Europe completely and let them finance their own military and defense and we can do the same.
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I support this message. Europe sucks.
 
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AM64 said:
I've always considered Indians - at least the ones allowed to be well educated - to be very intelligent. Their alignment with Russia is baffling. Sure they are getting a great deal on oil and military hardware, but it comes with an extreme downside - especially with Indian/Chinese enmity and Russian/Chinese alliance.
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It's not baffling at all. They are looking at what is happening right now and are wanting to not be in the bullseye of any of these Western sanctions from the Karen of the World (United States). Plus, they are seeing the cracks in our armor and are not going to allow a woke azz country with a senile dribbling fool to dictate terms to them.

These days of American hegemony are gradually slipping away, and these countries are seeing the writing on the wall. Sadly, many Americans don't see it.

The people running this country into the ground are the most corrupt and dangerous people on the planet.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Germany just doing what is in the best interests.

When will America do the same?
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I dont think the poster was upset with Germany buying Russian gas in Rubles, but the fact they were playing semantics and acting like they werent paying in Rubles.
 
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It's not baffling at all. They are looking at what is happening right now and are wanting to not be in the bullseye of any of these Western sanctions from the Karen of the World (United States). Plus, they are seeing the cracks in our armor and are not going to allow a woke azz country with a senile dribbling fool to dictate terms to them.

These days of American hegemony are gradually slipping away, and these countries are seeing the writing on the wall. Sadly, many Americans don't see it.

The people running this country into the ground are the most corrupt and dangerous people on the planet.
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My point is that what we normally consider "The West" has more a future than Russia. Russia certainly has resources, but I still see them (Russia) as cavemen trying to manage advanced technology. Not the eggs you want to be packing in your basket when the chips go down.
 
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AM64 said:
My point is that what we normally consider "The West" has more a future than Russia. Russia certainly has resources, but I still see them (Russia) as cavemen trying to manage advanced technology. Not the eggs you want to be packing in your basket when the chips go down.
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What do you see in The West right now that gives you the impression that we are progressing rather than regressing? We have pizz poor energy policies, we have youth learning about 57 genders in stead of STEM, and our economies are only surviving right now because of debt/borrowing.

You really don't see that the East and The West are moving in different directions? Be honest with yourself. We are screwed up right now.
 
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AM64 said:
My point is that what we normally consider "The West" has more a future than Russia. Russia certainly has resources, but I still see them (Russia) as cavemen trying to manage advanced technology. Not the eggs you want to be packing in your basket when the chips go down.
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Also, which country would you want to go down with: a country with resources, agriculture, energy production and a real economy or a country based on the service sector, FIRE (finance, insurance and real estate) and social media/entertainment?

We don't make s^^t in this country anymore.
 
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utvolpj said:
Instead of saying you win you should just post

You've been Donjo'd!!

Everyone will understand
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You honestly want to know what that term means to me. It means I'm still running on three fourths of a tank of gas and the person trying to battle me is running on empty.

It's like Gerry Cooney or Butterbean trying to fight Floyd Mayweather Jr.
 
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DonjoVol said:
You honestly want to know what that term means to me. It means I'm still running on three fourths of a tank of gas and the person trying to battle me is running on empty.

It's like Gerry Cooney or Butterbean trying to fight Floyd Mayweather Jr.
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To most of us it's a signal your gas tank is actually full of sugar water and you're on the side of the road with your blinkers on. But hey, it's 3/4 full right?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
What do you see in The West right now that gives you the impression that we are progressing rather than regressing? We have pizz poor energy policies, we have youth learning about 57 genders in stead of STEM, and our economies are only surviving right now because of debt/borrowing.

You really don't see that the East and The West are moving in different directions? Be honest with yourself. We are screwed up right now.
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Also, which country would you want to go down with: a country with resources, agriculture, energy production and a real economy or a country based on the service sector, FIRE (finance, insurance and real estate) and social media/entertainment?

We don't make s^^t in this country anymore.
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I agree with both points of view. We do have the resources and the ability - we've proven it. I'd imagine if push came to shove that we aren't beyond hope - at least yet and assuming we don't somehow completely alienate Canada and Mexico.
 
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AM64 said:
I agree with both points of view. We do have the resources and the ability - we've proven it. I'd imagine if push came to shove that we aren't beyond hope - at least yet and assuming we don't somehow completely alienate Canada and Mexico.
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Even if we could get rid of the present leadership tomorrow and get someone in there with common sense, we are still looking at a decade or more to get us back to where we are close to being on firmer footing economically. The boomers are retiring and dying off and taking a lot of the knowledge they have of these industries with them to the grave. You lose all of that tribal knowledge of certain industries... you just can turn on and turn off a lot of these manufacturing and industrial processes like a light switch. Plus, our citizenry doesn't have the necessary skills to feed the manpower needs because we have far too many learning soft sciences and humanities rather than trades and engineering. We are looking down the barrel of steep decline in living standards and productivity if we don't get our s^^t together.

Being delusional or being optimistic saying "we've proven it" before is not productive and realistic. I really don't think a lot of you fully appreciate the dire situation this country is in right now.
 
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utvolpj said:
To most of us it's a signal your gas tank is actually full of sugar water and you're on the side of the road with your blinkers on. But hey, it's 3/4 full right?
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utvolpj said:
To most of us it's a signal your gas tank is actually full of sugar water and you're on the side of the road with your blinkers on. But hey, it's 3/4 full right?
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Just so you and others know I actually find it hilarious when some of you use that term. So it doesn't bother me at all.

Second. It's meant to be an insult and like I said once you all resort to insults then I've won the debate.

Third. I'll also take it as a compliment from here on out. So please continue.
 
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