War in Ukraine

[McDad]

Putin is gaining support at home

This means the war will continue until Russia can end it and claim national victory.

 

[NorthDallas40]

If pigs had been less worried about being classy and not throwing **** maybe they wouldn't be living in pens full of their own ****, in complete subjugation.

Ape from the top rope!

 

[DonjoVol]

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Guess I'll continue to try my best to make sure people are following Hill's standards of decorum here in Volnation.

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

So many ways to work this system. Where to begin?

 

[hog88]

I tried to invest in Rubles when it tanked but dang ole sanctions prevented the transaction. Uncle Sam denied me my profit.

You're on another list now.

 

[McDad]

You're on another list now.

How many does that make for me, now?

 

[volfanhill]

Guess I'll continue to try my best to make sure people are following Hill's standards of decorum here in Volnation.

Quick clarification for accuracy purposes. I wasn't setting standards. Not my place. You were claiming that people weren't interacting with you because they couldn't keep up. I simply explained to you why people were not interacting with you. Clearly I hit a nerve.

 

[hog88]

If pigs had been less worried about being classy and not throwing **** maybe they wouldn't be living in pens full of their own ****, in complete subjugation.

I'm a wild boar. I tear **** up and just be a general nuisance.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Guess I'll continue to try my best to make sure people are following Hill's standards of decorum here in Volnation.

Honestly I don’t think “your best” is going to have the focus required in the long term to achieve anything of merit if you can’t grasp simple and common examples of fallacious debate tactics.

 

[Septic]

The Ruble measures are temporary stabilizers. He is consolidating money. Eventually the money will run out, though he may wind up throwing some of his own at it to prop it up for a little while. It's a waiting game now. Putin's game has switched. His goal is now to stay alive, resupply, replan, and fight another day.

Inflation expected to go to 15-20%. Interest rates already at 20%. No movement of cash outside of Russia and limited within Russia. Citizens not able to take out more than $10k. Russian stock market shut down for weeks. Russian companies not able to borrow or get supplies. Contraction of the Russian GDP expected to be between 7% and 10%.

The economic devastation will start slow and pick up speed as time goes on.

 

[hog88]

How many does that make for me, now?

I've only got 10 fingers.

 

[landscapingvol]

Putin is gaining support at home

That is absolutely a legit poll, Russia is a free, open democracy free from any government interference, inclusive of robust debate. Kim Jong Il played golf one time in his life and shot a 34 in 18 holes.

 

[McDad]

Inflation expected to go to 15-20%. Interest rates already at 20%. No movement of cash outside of Russia and limited within Russia. Citizens not able to take out more than $10k. Russian stock market shut down for weeks. Russian companies not able to borrow or get supplies. Contraction of the Russian GDP expected to be between 7% and 10%.

The economic devastation will start slow and pick up speed as time goes on.

Inflation up, gdp down, and less market liquidity is about the worst set of indicators imaginable.

 

[Septic]

Uhhh... so what does this mean? How will this affect Russia?

Few will do business with them. Imagine trying to get a $1,000,000 home loan with a FICO score of 150.

Sovereign Credit Rating.

 

[landscapingvol]

Inflation expected to go to 15-20%. Interest rates already at 20%. No movement of cash outside of Russia and limited within Russia. Citizens not able to take out more than $10k. Russian stock market shut down for weeks. Russian companies not able to borrow or get supplies. Contraction of the Russian GDP expected to be between 7% and 10%.

The economic devastation will start slow and pick up speed as time goes on.

The Russian people welcome shortages and hardships. Not only do they welcome it, they eagerly yearn for it or so I have been told by the Red Guard.

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

He thinks he can control the ruble through the flow of oil, but Germany and others in the EU have already committed to cutting out Russian oil with the help of the US.

 

[landscapingvol]

He thinks he can control the ruble through the flow of oil, but Germany and others in the EU have already committed to cutting out Russian oil with the help of the US.

He can do as he pleases but the cheerleaders are fooling themselves if they think the Russian economy is even remotely capable of isolation and warming up to third world nations.

 

[DonjoVol]

Honestly I don’t think “your best” is going to have the focus required in the long term to achieve anything of merit if you can’t grasp simple and common examples of fallacious debate tactics.

My debate tactics are just fine. You know why? Because you guys and gals often resort to insults. Which means I've gotten the best of people such as yourself.

 

[Septic]

He thinks he can control the ruble through the flow of oil, but Germany and others in the EU have already committed to cutting out Russian oil with the help of the US.

It will be interesting to see what the Germans do. Right now, Olaf looks like he's playing hardball and Moscow's tone has changed to a gradual implementation of payment via the rouble (if the reporting is accurate).

It may be a game of chicken - Sweden, Germany and especially the Bulgarians are already going into lean mode.

 

[lawgator1]

It is hard to envision a stable Putin regime even if there is a negotiated outcome to the invasion.

First, the West will never welcome him back to any global economic organization. Their economy is doomed for at least a decade.

Second, and even if Russia ends up with Donbas the remainder of Ukraine will want revenge for generations to come.

Third, as soldiers come home and word spreads about the lack of justification for this and the cost, there's going to be a ton of internal resentment handicapping himfor the restof his days.

He has painted himself into a corner.

 

[Septic]

He can do as he pleases but the cheerleaders are fooling themselves if they think the Russian economy is even remotely capable of isolation and warming up to third world nations.

I remember when we freaked out when the US credit rating dropped from a Aaa to Aa due to Congressional budget passage shenanigans.

Russia is now a Ca, it can only go one rung lower to C.

What does that mean?

 

[Septic]

It is hard to envision a stable Putin regime even if there is a negotiated outcome to the invasion.

First, the West will never welcome him back to any global economic organization. Their economy is doomed for at least a decade.

Second, and even if Russia ends up with Donbas the remainder of Ukraine will want revenge for generations to come.

Third, as soldiers come home and word spreads about the lack of justification for this and the cost, there's going to be a ton of internal resentment handicapping himfor the restof his days.

He has painted himself into a corner.

I'd wager if Pooty got bounced out a third story window and a non-hating West moderate was installed, they'd be welcomed back pretty quickly.

They'll owe trillions in restitution to Ukraine and the international community should hold them to it.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

The Ruble measures are temporary stabilizers. He is consolidating money. Eventually the money will run out, though he may wind up throwing some of his own at it to prop it up for a little while. It's a waiting game now. Putin's game has switched. His goal is now to stay alive, resupply, replan, and fight another day.

Sure...

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

You realize the policies put in place to prop up their currency isn't sustainable right? It's a short term fix only delaying a spiral. How bad it gets is the question.

What are these short term fixes you are specifically talking about? I'm genuinely curious.

 

[lawgator1]

I'd wager if Pooty got bounced out a third story window and a non-hating West moderate was installed, they'd be welcomed back pretty quickly.

They'll owe trillions in restitution to Ukraine and the international community should hold them to it.

If there were an open and free election, with free communication leading up to it, you have to think he'd get absolutely smoked by every opposition candidate they put up.