War in Ukraine

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Cut off one's nose to spite one's face maxim seems appropriate.

Who needs Rubles when you can just steal what you need from Ukraine, right?

One a side note, if the current Russian gas contracts do specify the currency that is to be used (as claimed by several European countries), Russia would be in breach of contract for cutting off supplies by demanding Ruble-based trade. In turn, this would likely end up in World Court where, undoubtedly, a financial judgment would be made against Russia. How or whether this would be enforced, who knows.

Putin Says Gas Exports to Be Halted If Payments Not Made in Rubles

Russia will halt gas supplies to buyers from ‘unfriendly’ states unless they switch to payments in rubles from April 1, President Vladimir Putin said, the latest strike in a struggle with Europe over energy sales.

“To buy Russian gas, they need to open ruble accounts in Russian banks,” Putin told officials in a televised speech Thursday. “It is from those accounts that gas will be paid for starting April 1. If such payments aren’t made, we will consider this a failure by the client to comply with its obligations.”
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
US and Russia both got involved then because of politics. Both can be wrong and STILL Russia is in the wrong here because they invaded a sovereign country and are killing innocents as the aggressor
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We also provided weapons to Ukraine which were in turn used against their own citizens in Donbass. So the U.S. was not wrong there?
 
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DonjoVol said:
We also provided weapons to Ukraine which were in turn used against their own citizens in Donbass. So the U.S. was not wrong there?
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Sure just like the Russians were doing the same thing on the other side. However the US didn’t unilaterally invade a sovereign country and have its military directly kill innocent people
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Sure just like the Russians were doing the same thing on the other side. However the US didn’t unilaterally invade a sovereign country and have its military directly kill innocent people
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It doesn't matter if we invaded. We helped create this conflict and are responsible as well for many of the deaths in that region. We had no business getting involved in the first place.
 
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DonjoVol said:
It doesn't matter if we invaded. We helped create this conflict and are responsible as well for many of the deaths in that region. We had no business getting involved in the first place.
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Neither did Russia. But again. Only one country illegally invaded and killed innocents. If the USA invaded Ukraine I’d say the same thing about them. But you are defending only one side
 
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Ukrainian Hackers Take Aim at Russian Artillery, Navigation Signals
Group says it has found several ways to keep lost units lost.
https://www.defenseone.com/voices/patrick-tucker/8219/?oref=d1-post-author
A group of Ukrainian hackers says it has found ways to disrupt Russian military units’ navigation and is working on ways to disrupt artillery fire as well.

The nearly two dozen volunteers of the CyberPan Ukraine group work with the Ukrainian military and get funds from sources in Israel and the United States, group members told Defense One.

In the weeks since Russia invaded Ukraine, one member said, the group has found ways to keep some field units from receiving signals from the GLONASS system, Russia’s version of the U.S. GPS satellite navigation constellation. Lost Russian forces are easier to find and target than ones that know where they are going.

Currently, the group is looking for ways to disrupt artillery fire, at least from systems that employ precision guidance systems. The member said the group has identified several computer servers linked to Russian rockets.

“We found many mistakes inside the system,” he said.

Poor communications tech has hobbled the Russian war effort. Its Era secure cellphones aren’t working, in part because the invading forces destroyed many of the system’s cell towers, Bellingcat investigator Cristo Grovez said on March 7. This has forced many Russian units to use unencrypted phones, whose calls have been picked up by Ukrainian forces, foreign journalists, and others.
 
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volgr said:
I'll admit when I'm wrong, which doesnt happen often, but while I thought Russia would he fine in the long run and the Ruble would recover, I never thought it would recover as fast as it has...
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After being the worst performing currency by a long shot in the period just prior 🤡

And LMAO on you being rarely wrong 😂
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Neither did Russia. But again. Only one country illegally invaded and killed innocents. If the USA invaded Ukraine I’d say the same thing about them. But you are defending only one side
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Ukraine has been killing innocent civilians in the Donbass region way before Russia invaded. So are you saying it's okay to kill innocent civilians as long as it's within their borders?

And I'm not defending anyone in this. However, you guys and gals want to outright deny that the killing of innocent civilians has been taking place in Donbass. Much of it done with weapons we provided Ukraine.

So yes. We are just as guilty as Russia and anyone else in this.
 
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landscapingvol said:
Russia has meddled exponentially more than the US is in Ukraine and invaded Ukraine, our meddling is miniscule.
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The Ukraine military and militia groups have been targeting ethnic Russians (which are a different racial group than Ukrainians) in Ukraine since we decided to meddle in that area in 2013.

Do I think Russia has meddled as well. Absolutely. I have already called it out as well. The U.S. and other nations don't have the final say in how other nations operate. But you guys are okay if we get involved when the fact of the matter is we have issues here at home that need to fixed first.
 
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DonjoVol said:
The Ukraine military and militia groups have been targeting ethnic Russians (which are a different racial group than Ukrainians) in Ukraine since we decided to meddle in that area in 2013.

Do I think Russia has meddled as well. Absolutely. I have already called it out as well. The U.S. and other nations don't have the final say in how other nations operate. But you guys are okay if we get involved when the fact of the matter is we have issues here at home that need to fixed first.
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So...you're ok with the Russians overrunning The Ukraine.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Ukraine has been killing innocent civilians in the Donbass region way before Russia invaded. So are you saying it's okay to kill innocent civilians as long as it's within their borders?

And I'm not defending anyone in this. However, you guys and gals want to outright deny that the killing of innocent civilians has been taking place in Donbass. Much of it done with weapons we provided Ukraine.

So yes. We are just as guilty as Russia and anyone else in this.
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I’m saying Ukraine doing stuff to it’s own people within their borders whether right or wrong doesn’t justify an invasion. Russia and China have much much worse human rights violations Should we invade because of it? Of course not
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
I’m saying Ukraine doing stuff to it’s own people within their borders whether right or wrong doesn’t justify an invasion. Russia and China have much much worse human rights violations Should we invade because of it? Of course not
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So are you okay with the U.S. providing weapons to other countries (like Ukraine) that are turned around and used against their citizens?
 
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DonjoVol said:
So are you okay with the U.S. providing weapons to other countries (like Ukraine) that are turned around and used against their citizens?
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Do you still beat your wife?

Ukraine is in need of and deserves support based on our hand in creating this situation (giving up their nukes). If instances happen as indicated by Russian POWs being tortured and attacks made on civilians and the Ukrainian government acts to hold the perpetrators accountable then they’ve done what they should do in those cases. And the international community should press them to hold those accountable
 
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DonjoVol said:
So are you okay with the U.S. providing weapons to other countries (like Ukraine) that are turned around and used against their citizens?
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We give weapons to governments all over the world just like Russia and China and every power does. You can argue the morality of it but it is what it is.
and considering some of those “citizens” were domestic terrorists and rebels it rings a little hollow considering any country would do the same thing if they had insurrectionists
 
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