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[ClearwaterVol]

Can you explain the logic behind your statement?

Statements like allowing "public schools to groom K through 3 kids to produce a new generation of “recruits” for their lifestyle" indicate an epic lack of knowledge and he's intentionally equating the educators to pedophiles. It's a disgusting tactic and it indicates he's a bigot.

It similar to those tactics when the gay marriage debate was raging. The opponents compared gay couples to pedophiles and to people that engaged in beastiality.

 

[OrangeTsar]

You are a pandering fool. Amazingly bigoted and proud of it.

Bigoted? True, i have no tolerance for fools or for those who prey on Children. Is that what you meant?

 

[GroverCleveland]

Statements like allowing "public schools to groom K through 3 kids to produce a new generation of “recruits” for their lifestyle" indicate an epic lack of knowledge and he's intentionally equating the educators to pedophiles. It's a disgusting tactic and it indicates he's a bigot.

Fair enough that you would think that.

However, there are studies, referenced in the link below, that suggest he is correct and, quite possibly, you are the one lacking knowledge. Or, possibly not. The literature I've read is that the actual rate of homosexualism in nature (humans and other species) seems to be around 5% give a take a few points. But as the article indicates, there is a clear rise in the number of our children self-identifying as gay. Now, either we are giving birth to far more gay children than ever before, something in the environment is affecting our children (climate change, Donald Trump, anyone?) or, as many people are coming to believe, cultural norms are changing and encouraging this shift. I fall within the latter group. I actually predicted it back in the 90s.

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-...-rise-in-us-teens-identifying-as-gay-bisexual

 

[whodeycin85]

Statements like allowing "public schools to groom K through 3 kids to produce a new generation of “recruits” for their lifestyle" indicate an epic lack of knowledge and he's intentionally equating the educators to pedophiles. It's a disgusting tactic and it indicates he's a bigot.

It similar to those tactics when the gay marriage debate was raging. The opponents compared gay couples to pedophiles and to people that engaged in beastiality.

Can you elaborate why you support the teaching of sex, and transgenderism to children under age 10?

 

[OrangeTsar]

Statements like allowing "public schools to groom K through 3 kids to produce a new generation of “recruits” for their lifestyle" indicate an epic lack of knowledge and he's intentionally equating the educators to pedophiles. It's a disgusting tactic and it indicates he's a bigot.

It similar to those tactics when the gay marriage debate was raging. The opponents compared gay couples to pedophiles and to people that engaged in beastiality.

There is only one reason a teacher would have for discussing the details of sex to a five to eight year old child. And it isn’t a very pretty one. If only our language had a word for that

 

[whodeycin85]

Because when pandering you go for the easiest mark. Who would say third graders should know anything about sexuality?

Sixth graders not as easy a shameless plug for oneself as being against it for third graders.

And from what I read there had been a lot of gay educating of third graders in Florida schools so thank God he is on top of this rampant problem! /blue font

Why do you support teachers educating children about sex and transgenderism as opposed to parents?

 

[OrangeTsar]

Fair enough that you would think that.

However, there are studies, referenced in the link below, that suggest he is correct and, quite possibly, you are the one lacking knowledge. Or, possibly not. The literature I've read is that the actual rate of homosexualism in nature (humans and other species) seems to be around 5% give a take a few points. But as the article indicates, there is a clear rise in the number of our children self-identifying as gay. Now, either we are giving birth to far more gay children than ever before, something in the environment is affecting our children (climate change, Donald Trump, anyone?) or, as many people are coming to believe, cultural norms are changing and encouraging this shift. I fall within the latter group. I actually predicted it back in the 90s.

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-...-rise-in-us-teens-identifying-as-gay-bisexual

Interesting insight. And if you believe the Biblical description of life in Sodom, then it becomes apparent that „recruitment“ and other social influencing can raise the Natural 5% To near 100%. That would seem to refute the whole „born that way“ canard and support a view that homosexuality is a usually a deviation from genetic makeup. Learned not pre programmed, so if you want a constant supply of incoming new candidates, you must have a strategy for procuring them. If only the left had a state monopoly program in which they had unhindered access to „instruct“ every child in the nation during his or her formative and most impressionable years…..

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Fair enough that you would think that.

However, there are studies, referenced in the link below, that suggest he is correct and, quite possibly, you are the one lacking knowledge. Or, possibly not. The literature I've read is that the actual rate of homosexualism in nature (humans and other species) seems to be around 5% give a take a few points. But as the article indicates, there is a clear rise in the number of our children self-identifying as gay. Now, either we are giving birth to far more gay children than ever before, something in the environment is affecting our children (climate change, Donald Trump, anyone?) or, as many people are coming to believe, cultural norms are changing and encouraging this shift. I fall within the latter group. I actually predicted it back in the 90s.

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-...-rise-in-us-teens-identifying-as-gay-bisexual

Literature I've read is that homosexuality was thought to be around 10% with bisexuality being much higher. Lumping them together is a recipe meaningless statistics.

Our understanding of sexuality has evolved. From a purely anecdotal perspective. When I was in college very few women would say they were bisexual. They all said they were straight, but in my experience it was pretty easy to talk them into sexual activity with another female. Claiming to be bisexual came with a negative connotation from many people. Not so much anymore. Women, in my opinion, are far more comfortable with viewing sexuality on a sliding scale.

Being gay was dangerous especially for high school boys. It was only 1998 when Matthew Shepard was murdered by a bunch of knuckle draggers because he was gay. So coming out now is not as dangerous because people have evolved. There are more openly bisexual men now, as well for similar reasons.

Equating something you don't agree with to something illegal and disgusting is the tactic of bigots. Czar is a prime example.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Can you elaborate why you support the teaching of sex, and transgenderism to children under age 10?

I don't think that any sexuality needs to be taught under 10. However, if we are talking about a childrens' book about married penguins that are male and female (no sex in book) and a book about same sex married penguins (no sex in book)... Either they are both allowed or both banned.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

There is only one reason a teacher would have for discussing the details of sex to a five to eight year old child. And it isn’t a very pretty one. If only our language had a word for that

Nobody is doing that. If a 10 year old asks about a classmate's same sex parents, I think a fine response is that two people can love each other and get married whether they are both men or women or a man and woman.

 

[Orangeburst]

I would lol but just sad really

 

[OrangeTsar]

I don't think that any sexuality needs to be taught under 10. However, if we are talking about a childrens' book about married penguins that are male and female (no sex in book) and a book about same sex married penguins (no sex in book)... Either they are both allowed or both banned.

I have seen some of the excerpted drawings from some of the pre teen targeted books in school curricula lately and believe me, they ain’t pictures of penguins.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Bigoted? True, i have no tolerance for fools or for those who prey on Children. Is that what you meant?

I now must assume you are an illiterate bigot. My statements were clear and concise and apparently you're unable to read and comprehend them.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

I have seen some of the excerpted drawings from some of the pre teen targeted books in school curricula lately and believe me, they ain’t pictures of penguins.

Place them here. The lead objectionable book for pre teens in Florida seems to be Mommy, Mama and Me.

 

[OrangeTsar]

Nobody is doing that. If a 10 year old asks about a classmate's same sex parents, I think a fine response is that two people can love each other and get married whether they are both men or women or a man and woman.

That is not what is happening in many American schools. It isn’t a question of 10 year olds asking occasional questions (red herring there), it is a question of pre prepared, planned, and carefully crafted lesson plans designed to introduce young Children to sexual topics and content in direct contradiction to a parent‘s desire and right to delay exposure to certain topics until the child is older. Who decides what gets taught and when? Does Hollywood and the Teacher‘s Unions, or do the parents via their representative government? That is the question we are discussing here. Not if a male teacher lives with another man and they go on dates. It’s when the teacher veers into talking about what they do when they get home after said Date and close the bedroom door that we will have a problem.

 

[whodeycin85]

I don't think that any sexuality needs to be taught under 10. However, if we are talking about a childrens' book about married penguins that are male and female (no sex in book) and a book about same sex married penguins (no sex in book)... Either they are both allowed or both banned.

I don't believe that type of situation is mentioned...and yes i agree. I believe it more a teacher telling a boy that because he likes playing with other boys that he is gay...that purely antidotal but speaks to the issue. Also encouraging children that have no idea what they are or who they will be attracted to, that they are one or the other socially gendered sex is wrong, and even worse hiding a mental illness like that from a parent. They encourage not hiding depression and other mental illness why do they encourgae that one?

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Interesting insight. And if you believe the Biblical description of life in Sodom, then it becomes apparent that „recruitment“ and other social influencing can raise the Natural 5% To near 100%. That would seem to refute the whole „born that way“ canard and support a view that homosexuality is a usually a deviation from genetic makeup. Learned not pre programmed, so if you want a constant supply of incoming new candidates, you must have a strategy for procuring them. If only the left had a state monopoly program in which they had unhindered access to „instruct“ every child in the nation during his or her formative and most impressionable years…..

There we go. Knew your bigoted nature would lead back to religion.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

I don't believe that type of situation is mentioned...and yes i agree. I believe it more a teacher telling a boy that because he likes playing with other boys that he is gay...that purely antidotal but speaks to the issue. Also encouraging children that have no idea what they are or who they will be attracted to, that they are one or the other socially gendered sex is wrong, and even worse hiding a mental illness like that from a parent. They encourage not hiding depression and other mental illness why do they encourgae that one?

So is this law just pandering and creating a boogey man that doesn't exist?

 

[GroverCleveland]

Literature I've read is that homosexuality was thought to be around 10% with bisexuality being much higher. Lumping them together is a recipe meaningless statistics.

Yes, the 10% number was promoted/bantered around for years and I quoted it as well in arguments. However, more contemporary studies I have read indicated that was quite possibly a "political" number derived to promote acceptance by the LGBTQXYZ+ crowd and the actual numbers are more along the 5%.

And using an anecdote, although a horrible one at that, to paint people with the broad brush of bigotry is dangerous as well. I grew up in about as conservative a Bible-thumping part of the country as one could be. There were a couple of kids who were not like the rest of us and, sure enough, when they grew up, they were not like the rest of us. No one went around beating up on them. That kind of treatment would not have been tolerated for very long. And I'm not talking about being picked on; everyone got picked on from time to time for or about something.

 

[OrangeTsar]

I now must assume you are an illiterate bigot. My statements were clear and concise and apparently you're unable to read and comprehend them.

Oh I can read and comprehend them much more clearly than you think. I can Wade through BS word salads to understand EXACTLY what is being said better than you would hope.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

That is not what is happening in many American schools. It isn’t a question of 10 year olds asking occasional questions (red herring there), it is a question of pre prepared, planned, and carefully crafted lesson plans designed to introduce young Children to sexual topics and content in direct contradiction to a parent‘s desire and right to delay exposure to certain topics until the child is older. Who decides what gets taught and when? Does Hollywood and the Teacher‘s Unions, or do the parents via their representative government? That is the question we are discussing here. Not if a male teacher lives with another man and they go on dates. It’s when the teacher veers into talking about what they do when they get home after said Date and close the bedroom door that we will have a problem.

Produce the lesson plans. Otherwise it is you with the strawman.

 

[utvolpj]

That is not what is happening in many American schools. It isn’t a question of 10 year olds asking occasional questions (red herring there), it is a question of pre prepared, planned, and carefully crafted lesson plans designed to introduce young Children to sexual topics and content in direct contradiction to a parent‘s desire and right to delay exposure to certain topics until the child is older. Who decides what gets taught and when? Does Hollywood and the Teacher‘s Unions, or do the parents via their representative government? That is the question we are discussing here. Not if a male teacher lives with another man and they go on dates. It’s when the teacher veers into talking about what they do when they get home after said Date and close the bedroom door that we will have a problem.

None of this is happening to my 10yo in my part of Florida.

 

[OrangeTsar]

There we go. Knew your bigoted nature would lead back to religion.

Ok, replace Sodom with San Francisco. Now try again

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Ok, replace Sodom with San Francisco. Now try again

Why would San Francisco be in a fairytale? Still a bigot, but I'm starting to believe you may be a closeted one at that.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

None of this is happening to my 10yo in my part of Florida.

My daughter attended Florida schools and experienced none of that either. This is just DeSantis promoting a fake boogeyman to scare the religious bible thumping portion of his base.