War in Ukraine

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McDad said:
If Russia has legitimate reasons to invade Ukraine, and those reasons still exist, sanctions and relaxing thereof is a moot point.
Sanctions were not part of the consideration to invade and the relaxing are not part of the reason to ceasefire.
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And you very well could be right, but again, why not incentivize them to sign a ceasefire. It probably won't work, but we know for sure the hardline stance will not.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
“Russians aren’t killing innocent civilians”
“Why does the West want to continue for these civilians to die?”
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Russians aren't targeting innocent civilians. Of course they are killing innocent civilians. Probably not as many as Azov has, which no one wants to talk about it, but that is par for the course here.
 
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volgr said:
Russians aren't targeting innocent civilians. Of course they are killing innocent civilians. Probably not as many as Azov has, which no one wants to talk about it, but that is par for the course here.
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Well one invaded a sovereign country to conquer it and to kill civilians.
 
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volgr said:
Russians aren't targeting innocent civilians. Of course they are killing innocent civilians. Probably not as many as Azov has, which no one wants to talk about it, but that is par for the course here.
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I bet those apartment buildings were full of the ever present Azov battalion and Putin himself admitted in a press conference that civilian targets had been hit but he blamed it on the ground commanders. Are you now doubting the word of Putin? Careful, he is where you get your "facts"
 
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volgr said:
And you very well could be right, but again, why not incentivize them to sign a ceasefire. It probably won't work, but we know for sure the hardline stance will not.
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If I stop coming to your restaurant because you're in a lawsuit with your neighbor for stealing utility service from you for years, will you drop the lawsuit if I offer to come back regularly?
No, you won't. Your reason to take action is far greater than my patronage.

You're making a mistake by equating the west's decisions as motivation for Russia if you believe they have a legitimate reason to invade.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
The viking Shaman? That clown? I don't think even Trump-clown would've stooped that low. More than likely, he was talking with co-traitor GOP bigots in the capitol itself, as well as Roger Stone, Mike Flynn, Bannon, Proud Boys, other armed militant anarchist leaders, and other close associates that shared his anti-Constitution bigots. Now, that's what I think, which is what you asked, but we won't know until and unless we get call logs during those critical hours and minutes during of the attempted coup.
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The only people with guns that day were the Capitol police. WTF is this armed stuff you are talking about?
 
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KB5252 said:
When you set up to defend a city you by definition MUST place military and defensive positions in "civilian" zones. It's literally the entire point of defending a city. Nothing earth shattering or even worthy of a blurb. There are plenty of examples of specifically targeting civilians with shelling.
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So using schools and hospitals is normal procedure? Because that is what they are doing... you do realize this, right? I've posted proof of this in Odessa.
 
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landscapingvol said:
I bet those apartment buildings were full of the ever present Azov battalion and Putin himself admitted in a press conference that civilian targets had been hit but he blamed it on the ground commanders. Are you now doubting the word of Putin? Careful, he is where you get your "facts"
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I posted a video yesterday where the people in a neighborhood in Mariupol said the Azov clowns were staged in a 9 story apartment building.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
So using schools and hospitals is normal procedure? Because that is what they are doing... you do realize this, right? I've posted proof of this in Odessa.
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You mean there are civilians in the actual cities that the Russians are invading and attacking? It’s definitely the Ukrainian’s fault that Russia had to invade their country and kill innocents right?
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
You mean there are civilians in the actual cities that the Russians are invading and attacking? It’s definitely the Ukrainian’s fault that Russia had to invade their country and kill innocents right?
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Hey... get a clue. They are setting up military stations in schools and hospitals, which is turning these places into military targets.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Hey... getcha clue. They are setting up military stations in schools and hospitals, which is turning these places into military targets.
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Doesn’t change the fact that the Russians shouldn’t be there in the first place. If I am a hit man who breaks into a house to kill a target and he is with his family there hiding in a panic room and I shoot through the wall and kill a kid, it doesn’t mean the target should’ve not been with the kids
 
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landscapingvol said:
I bet those apartment buildings were full of the ever present Azov battalion and Putin himself admitted in a press conference that civilian targets had been hit but he blamed it on the ground commanders. Are you now doubting the word of Putin? Careful, he is where you get your "facts"
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I doubt the word of any leader, especially during war.
 
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McDad said:
You're making a mistake by equating the west's decisions as motivation for Russia if you believe they have a legitimate reason to invade.
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I'm not equating them. I realize Russia's motivations are much stronger and they are currently winning the war and achieving their desired goals...like I said, it is likely that offering them incentive by possibly reducing sanctions doesn't do anything but what do they have to lose? Especially considering the sanctions are making it WORSE for Europe.
 
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Our gov't loves blasting Hamas for taking positions in civilian areas and using human shields and rightfully so. Yet, we are oddly silent when Ukraine does it on the regular. Not only that, but idiots in this thread are justifying it. Of course these are the same idiots that just a couple days ago justified Ukrainian war crimes when they tortured Russian POW's.
 
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