War in Ukraine

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Rasputin_Vol said:
Has nothing to do with it. There is plenty for both. The problem in Ukraine is that you have Westen jackals and specifically politically connected families running that operation while keeping Ukraine as one of the poorest countries in Europe.
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You mean like Russia with a handful of uber wealthy oligarchs and everyone else?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
And what is unreasonable about being neutral? Neither NATO or Russian?
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1. Because it should be their ****ing decision
2. Because neutrality isn’t really an option for them. Russia won’t let them join the NATO or EU, so who are they supposed to turn to economically?
3. Putin’s goal isn’t Ukrainian neutrality, it’s to make Ukraine a Belarus style vassal state or annex it entirely.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
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This is bogus. The Ukrainians are not allowing the humanitarian corridors because that removes their ability to use civilians as human shields and also removes whatever negotiating leverage they have with the Russians.
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Maybe the Russians should quit shooting at “human shields” and leave a sovereign country all together?
 
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tvolsfan said:
1. Because it should be their ****ing decision
2. Because neutrality isn’t really an option for them. Russia won’t let them join the NATO or EU, so who are they supposed to turn to economically?
3. Putin’s goal isn’t Ukrainian neutrality, it’s to make Ukraine a Belarus style vassal state or annex it entirely.
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It hasn't been the Ukrainians decision about any of this. NATO or Russia will ultimately decide this. No different than the US deciding issues involving some of our neighbors in Latin America.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Maybe the Russians should quit shooting at “human shields” and leave a sovereign country all together?
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I was going to ask you what proof you had of the Russians shooting at humanitarian corridors, but it will likely be from some propaganda site like ABC, CNN or from the Biden White House.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I was going to ask you what proof you had of the Russians shooting at humanitarian corridors, but it will likely be from some propaganda site like ABC, CNN or from the Biden White House.
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As opposed to your very trusted sources of Vlad Putin and Russian TV? You act as though you are on the frontlines and have all the "legitimate" inside information and everything else is just anti Russian propaganda. It's pretty comical
 
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tbh said:
While they do share the same root, "neutral" is wholly different than "neutered". Russia appears to want the latter for Ukraine.
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Let's go along with that line of thinking. How much different would it be than right now with politically connected Westerners running rackets and trafficking & criminal operations out of that country as they drain it dry?

Thieves and govt don't like competition?
 
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landscapingvol said:
As opposed to your very trusted sources of Vlad Putin and Russian TV? You act as though you are on the frontlines and have all the "legitimate" inside information and everything else is just anti Russian propaganda. It's pretty comical
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Mainstream media and the Biden White House are on par with or worse than those sources.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
There were two incidents.

In 2014, Russia came in to secure their warm water port in Crimea as the US coup was taking place. In the resulting fallout, the US was able to successfully install their puppet Yatsenyiuk and the Donbas was ready to split away from the madness.

In this go around a month ago, after 8 years of attacks from the Kiev regime and failed attempts at getting the Kiev regime to follow the Minsk I ceasefire agreements, Russia came in at the moment that Kiev was planning on staging one more attack on the Donbas region with up to 60k of their best forces.
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But lets be serious here. Had Russia responded by surging into Donbass and Eastern Ukraine with 50k troops and many more sitting on the border, then called for an annexation vote while they "guaranteed the freedom of the election from Nazi influence", then you might have a point. Yes, everyone would have had a hissy fit but not such a big one and the sanction response would have been minimal. Instead Russia invades everything, Odessa, Kyiv, etc - its simply hard to justify that with the Nazi argument.

Had Russia put a major army in Eastern Ukraine and had the greater army sitting on its border waiting to go in - THEN, IF/when Ukraine attacked their soldiers, they could have escalated by invading the rest of the country and it would have been more natural. It also probably would not have happened because Ukraine would have been a lot less likely to attack. The Russians could have likely successfully annexed Donetsk Oblast and the Luhansk Oblast regions and maybe the other 2 closeby that are pretty Russian. Better yet, declare them an independent Ukraine with Crimea and have them set up a government.

All of that could have worked well or reasonably so. Instead, Russia got greedy because it thought its military prowess and bought loyalties were more than they were. Now it is paying the price for it. Whereas it could have had a clear victory by taking a big bite, they have now bitten off more than they can chew and will pay an enormous price for any territory they do end up with.
 
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