War in Ukraine

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Rasputin_Vol said:
And again, they can want to join all they want, but it is up to NATO to weigh the costs and benefits of admitting them.

This isn't as much on Ukraine as it is an indictment on poor decisionmaking by NATO.
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They can’t join all they want if another country invades them because of it
 
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ButchPlz said:
To sum up your positions, as you have shared openly in this thread: "the US shouldn't be involved in Ukraine, but it actually should, but shouldn't be involved in other countries, but should fight terrorists everywhere, and I don't watch CNN, but I do repeat ad nauseum exactly what they say, and Biden is a buffoon, but he is capable of making wise decisions on arming countries abroad."
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I expect the liberals on here to twist like this, but I am very surprised at the so-called conservatives/redhats in here that were able to clearly see these same people lie cheat and steal over the last two years about COVID, Russiagate and the 2020 election yet still parrot the mainstream media and White House narrative.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Also, I also find many of you all's position on national sovereignty interesting in this era of US sanctions. Who gives the US the right to tell who can and who cannot trade with another country?

You people are just selectively outraged when it comes to particular subjects.
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US doesn’t tell people who they can’t trade with. They just say if you trade with them, don’t trade with us. It’s a choice
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You're making the case for us not to GAF about Ukraine...
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I am telling you that your assertion that he is a puppet of the US government simply because they get aid from the US was an absurd assertion not what you are implying. Just as your assertion that Putin's statements should be trusted are equally absurd
 
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AM64 said:
India isn't currently acting any smarter than the biden administration. Hope India does well, but they are picking the wrong friends. Some of it may be because of great terms offered by the Russians, but I'd bet a lot is still due to Europeans and their colonialism - reminders of stuff like that don't die easily, and the Russians have made real use of it all over the world.
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Can you really blame the Indians? They are looking at all of this madness and are probably thinking, "We could be next."

In addition, the European colonialism does play a factor in this. The world is going to take advantage of this situation and squeeze everything they can out of it. And looks like The West, outside of knocking over the chessboard with a nuclear war, can't do much about it.

The West has no leverage.
 
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volgr said:
Ukrainian sovereignty in action...
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I don't think you fully understand the definition of sovereignty if you think it excludes corruption. I agree Joe Biden is a terrible President and Ukraine has corrupt politicians like the rest of the World. Russia is still in Ukriane killing innocent people for imaginary reasons
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Can you really blame the Indians? They are looking at all of this madness and are probably thinking, "We could be next."

In addition, the European colonialism does play a factor in this. The world is going to take advantage of this situation and squeeze everything they can out of it. And looks like The West, outside of knocking over the chessboard with a nuclear war, can't do much about it.

The West has no leverage.
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Your assessment of international politics and World events is terrible at best
 
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norrislakevol said:
Quick question here: If Taiwan were to be invaded by China do you think almost the entire world would denounce it and aide Taiwan in the same means that a lot of nations have aided Ukraine? Not flaming or taking sides, just curious of everyone's thoughts.
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Hmmm... that is a good question. I think that since they are not European, there wouldn't be many "I Stand with Taiwan" memes.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
They're winning?
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How many major metropolitan areas has your man crush taken? And of what little gains he’s made how is he doing holding them? This was supposed to be over in 72 hours and were a month in an your man crush is way beyond plan B or C and is trying to figure out plan Z or something like that. This might be a good time to tell us y’all really didn’t want that 310 ft ship sitting on the bottom of the harbor now too 🤡
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Hmmm... that is a good question. I think that since they are not European, there wouldn't be many "I Stand with Taiwan" memes.
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Of course they would, especially the US, British, and Japan. I can tell you who wouldn't, Putin but you will probably be defending the Chinese communist party by then and explain to us how Mao was a nationalist at heart.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The 2014 referendum vote is one piece of evidence. The amount of Russian passports accepted by Donbas citizens is another piece. The fact that they took part in Minsk I and II ceasefire agreements with the clear understanding of everyone involved that there wanted autonomy... or at the very least wanted nothing to do with the govt of Kiev.

I really can't believe you are asking this 8 years later, but oh well.



NATO (The US) moving closer to Russia, but especially moving towards Ukraine would be no different than China or Russia joining a military alliance with Mexico or Cuba. You know this, however. You want to pretend that NATO and the US are just innocent, peaceful little angels that wouldn't harm a fly.
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Only one is invading a sovereign country and it ain’t NATO
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Do you have any info that aren't White House talking points or from mainstream American news?
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Sure. Do you want me to link Zelenskyy’s own speeches or just refer to them being posted here? And I guess Zelenskyy is just parroting the WH also right? I could go dig up the link where he was unimpressed with those same WH talking points also. And the fact that he’s still on the news about 28 days after your boy should have had him in irons speaks for itself 🤡
 
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