Homelessness, begging, and what to do about it

Happens all the time. Especially here from cedar bluff to turkey creek
The last time I gave money to someone was at the Kroger's on Campbell Station. Guy had a sign about being unemployed because of the pandemic and needing money for his rent to keep a roof over his family's head. But he wasn't simply asking for money. Guy was playing the violin, and he was good. So I figured what the hell. He was trying to earn it in a way he knew how. I respected that.
 
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Spoke too him about truck driving school yesterday. He’s going to look into it. I think most companies will pay for it, if not I told him we’d make it work. Does have a recent speeding ticket but nothing major
I think Roehl is one that pays for it. Might want to look into them if you haven't.
 
Anyone want to help me make a list of decent jobs other than factors for the non-college educated? I'm interested for personal reasons too (attempting to help a nephew)

1. Military
2. Post office
3. Heavy equipment operator
4. Railroads
5. Oilfield worker
6. Police (too lazy for a factory, unqualified for anything else)
7, Sales
Most ironworkers unions are usually hiring for their apprenticeship programs. Dangerous work but they make make good money. I think Norfolk Southern has been hiring train conductors for some time now. Automobile and diesel mechanics are another option. I would recommend insurance sales but it's often hard to find people in that industry willing to actually be a mentor to new people coming into the business.
 
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I used to buy 1-2 bags of groceries requiring no cooking and give to homeless people with kids, or others if I didn't see such. I don't give money because too many will just blow it on alcohol or dope. Foods were those large round salad trays, whole roisterer chicken, large potato salad containers, bottles of V-8, whole wheat bread, clusters of fruits, you get the idea. Later, I stopped doing that because of incidents of people being attacked when trying to help this way. Now and then, I have a ticket for a two for one dinner at Applebee's or other place I may flick their way. There are shelters, soup kitchens, and the like available. Fact is, it has become dangerous to be a good Samaritan now, it'snot the 1950s anymore. So while I'm not unsympathetic, I'm far more cautious than I used to be, and with good reason.
 
First, when I'm stopped at a red light and someone walks up with a handwritten sign asking for money I have such mixed emotions.

The human in me take south on them and tells me to give them a handful of change I'll probably never use, or a dollar if one is sitting out. They often seem in genuine pain.

But then I remind myself, it's pain in the moment and that odds are well over 90 pct that whatever I give them would go to alcohol or drugs or both. And then I convince myself that not giving them money is more moral to not contribute to the cycle.

I see in the news today that the feds are giving Orlando $12 million to address homelessness. If it goes to temporary shelter for those who have had a bad situation arise, I'm fine with it. If it's just more kicking this can down the road, it's hurting and not helping.

So anyway, my mixture of guilt and righteous indignation on this is finished. Wondering how other people rationalize giving or not giving when they encounter someone at the traffic light.

I rarely give any money for the reasons you say. I do have a kit in my car and I'm just waiting to give it to somebody. It's got some granola bars, some clothes I was gonna take to Goodwill, the little bag of dental goodies my dentist gives me, and a $5er in it. I need to find a guy my size and hand it off, then make another kit.
 
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I'm a sucker for a dog. Homeless although down on their luck seem to have well behaved dogs. So I give what I can if I have any cash and say take care of your friend.
 
I remember a story on one of the news programs (20/20, Dateline, 60 Minutes, not sure which) where they secretly followed a panhandler in NYC. Guy spent all day panhandling. End of the day, he goes and gets into a nice car and drives to a nice house in the suburbs. Wasn't sure whether to believe it or not, but I could see where one could possibly make a living at it in the big cities.
The street corner I pass on my way to work every morning has a panhandler. I've seen them get dropped off their and picked up by other vehicles. What does that tell you.
 
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It depends what area you live in. $15 an hour is not a high starting salary in places like San Francisco and NYC.

When I say starting I mean teenager or unskilled. I know my unskilled comment is gonna rub you wrong so please just understand I am simply answering what a starting salary is to me.
 
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When I say starting I mean teenager or unskilled. I know my unskilled comment is gonna rub you wrong so please just understand I am simply answering what a starting salary is to me.
Is an accounting clerk or an administrative assistant unskilled? I say that because some of those positions are paying less than some entry level fast food places now.

I also know servers and delivery drivers making $20 to $30 an hour. Quite a bit for "unskilled" work huh?

Is a pastor unskilled?
 
Is an accounting clerk or an administrative assistant unskilled? I say that because some of those positions are paying less than some entry level fast food places now.

I also know servers and delivery drivers making $20 to $30 an hour. Quite a bit for "unskilled" work huh?

Is a pastor unskilled?

pay is not always based on skill.
 
pay is not always based on skill.
If some servers are constantly getting great tips then that must mean they are providing excellent skilled service.

Care to answer some of the other questions I asked?
 
If some servers are constantly getting great tips then that must mean they are providing excellent skilled service.

Care to answer some of the other questions I asked?

You have had this stupid conversation multiple times with multiple posters. I am not having it again.

No. A server is not considered skilled labor. Any job that can be learned in a day or two is not skilled.

I honestly do not care whether you agree or disagree. I personally do not hold an emotional stake in the skilled unskilled debate.
 
You have had this stupid conversation multiple times with multiple posters. I am not having it again.

No. A server is not considered skilled labor. Any job that can be learned in a day or two is not skilled.

I honestly do not care whether you agree or disagree. I personally do not hold an emotional stake in the skilled unskilled debate.

You may not, but the other party is a different story.
 
A great many of them are mentally ill.
There's no "transforming" them.

Before Reagan got rid of the crazy houses they used to be able to live there.

My solution: Turn all of them into farmers.
Land allocated for farming can be turned into many things.

They can work, eat, sleep AND rehabilitate there. All of those options are on the table.
Instead of automating thinga or giving them to illegals, give the homeless a chance to change their fortunes. At worst, they stay field workers , take up a bunk space and eat 3 hot meals a day...
I’m guessing you haven’t been around many mentally ill people who are unmedicated. Ever heard of herding cats? Between the paranoid delusions and the voices they do not focus very well. Working would be impossible much less living among other mentally ill people. They would kill each other.
 
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Any companies you’d recommend?
Lilreb would be a better source for that, long haul he says market is in his favor even with training. He should check for best benefits and best deal per mile with a caveat that he’s going to be brand new. Some companies may require you to offload yourself or the contractor will offload. Check local and the reputation matters, suggests checking with an employee on how management treats employees. That was me channeling lilreb.
 
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I give when I can, and have it on me, after that it's their money. Not my job to judge. They asked and I chose to give .
 
Tonight I was returning something to the Sams Club near closing time. I noticed a homeless person standing outside the door, but I kept going in order to get in before closing.

On the way out, I looked toward this person again and it was obvious they were cold. I thought quickly that it's hard to help everybody so I went to my car, but I kept looking back toward the person. I was somewhat bothered.

I decided to drive by the person as I had decided I was going to take a picture and share with a friend that scenes like this break my heart and something must be done.

As I approached, a kind shopper had stopped to talk to the person. By this time, the homeless person had a cigarette. I'm not sure if they already had it or it was given to them. I didn't see it at first though. I slowed enough to notice the leaving shopper had pulled out her purse and gave the person some money.

I pulled over then I got out my car. I asked the shopper who was going to her car if the person was going to be ok. She said she did not know and we discussed The Mission but knew this person had no way to go from SE Nashville to downtown. She said she had given money and every little bit makes a lot. Knowing she was right, I walked over to find out the situation for myself.

When the homeless person looked up for the first time I found out the person was a woman. Sadly, I could not tell the age of the person because it became obvious drugs has been part of their demise at some point. She was cold and the temperature has dropped to below freezing. We talked for a few minutes about the priority at hand, the cold and hunger. I asked if she had anywhere to go - she said some of them go to this hotel until they kick them out. She said she was hungry. I gave her enough money to help with food and I know they lady before me had given her money as well. Before giving it to her I asked her, if I give you this money what are you going to do with it - she said buy something to eat. She showed me her hands which were being taken over by the cold. In short, I finished by telling her to zip up her coat and find somewhere warm as soon as she can. I told her I want her to make it.

As I left I wished there was more I could do. I was not expecting to run into a homeless woman at Sams Club door. I wasn't prepared. Sams was closing. I didn't have any blanket or gloves with me. This will bother me tonight what happens to this lady. Most tend to find a way but seeing the struggle and feeling the cold myself doesn't sit will with me. I keep thinking there's more I could've done but I really only had few options short of putting this lady in my car without any knowledge of her health, things in her bag, etc.

The homeless situation won't ever be solved completely but between mental illness left untreated and the drug addictions this has exploded the homeless population that is just more than people who can’t afford rent.

How do we continue taking care of illegals flooding the border, sending money to other countries to fund ridiculous causes, allowing fraud in use of our tax dollars but not truly attempt to minimize this "epidemic" of mental illness, drug addiction and homelessness?

The stories behind each situation would surprise and sadden some of us how they got where they are.

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