To Protect and to Serve II

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GreyWolf1129 said:
“There’s no situation that a good cop can’t make worse.”

Been there, done that, and now I always teach that one to new deputies. Make sure all of your mistakes are honest ones. The power of your office comes from the people you serve.
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Sadly that isn't the message most officers are getting.
 
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#14,408
GreyWolf1129 said:
“There’s no situation that a good cop can’t make worse.”

Been there, done that, and now I always teach that one to new deputies. Make sure all of your mistakes are honest ones. The power of your office comes from the people you serve.
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Thank you for saying this.

It’s an unfair burden that LEO’s such as yourself shoulder.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Our police force needs to be retrained. Right now it seems that they believe they are trained a military force and the public is the enemy. Perhaps they should spend a little more time getting to know the people and business owners in their patrol areas and a little less time sitting in parking lots trying to nab speeders.
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Retraining won't do anything. They might refrain from the behavior for maybe 1-2 months of their murder if you think you will get away with attitude. Then go right back to business as usual when things cool down. What we need is police department administrators who aggressively investigate applicants' backgrounds. Weed out those aligned with hate groups, gang associations, violent lawbreaking, whether domestic, robbery, and such. Look very carefully at their social media presence. Further, subject them to evaluations such as DISC, HEXACO, MBTI, or EPI - or similar. All to weed out undesirables before they are hired and become a problem. I think also retested with similar tools once every 3-4yrs, as people do change. When a pattern of disciplinary behaviors begin to manifest themselves, get rid of them at the third strike, and collaborate with in-state and out-of-state PDs to prevent them being hired as cops elsewhere. Finally, when they do break the law, treat them the same way any citizen would be treated by the legal system if they broke the same law. Only then will we have a truly accountable law enforcement that citizens trust.

If it hasn't already begun, we will see ever more increasing incidents of citizens targeting cops, deliberately shooting them, seeking to hit them with vehicles, even baiting them into places to kill them. People are slowly now having an attitude of when stopped by a cop for whatever reason, get them first because they already have murderous intent toward you. I just don't like what I'm seeing developing in the here and now.





Now, watch what the blindly blues do.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Retraining won't do anything. They might refrain from the behavior for maybe 1-2 months of their murder if you think you will get away with attitude. Then go right back to business as usual when things cool down. What we need is police department administrators who aggressively investigate applicants' backgrounds. Weed out those aligned with hate groups, gang associations, violent lawbreaking, whether domestic, robbery, and such. Look very carefully at their social media presence. Further, subject them to evaluations such as DISC, HEXACO, MBTI, or EPI - or similar. All to weed out undesirables before they are hired and become a problem. I think also retested with similar tools once every 3-4yrs, as people do change. When a pattern of disciplinary behaviors begin to manifest themselves, get rid of them at the third strike, and collaborate with in-state and out-of-state PDs to prevent them being hired as cops elsewhere. Finally, when they do break the law, treat them the same way any citizen would be treated by the legal system if they broke the same law. Only then will we have a truly accountable law enforcement that citizens trust.

If it hasn't already begun, we will see ever more increasing incidents of citizens targeting cops, deliberately shooting them, seeking to hit them with vehicles, even baiting them into places to kill them. People are slowly now having an attitude of when stopped by a cop for whatever reason, get them first because they already have murderous intent toward you. I just don't like what I'm seeing developing in the here and now.





Now, watch what the blindly blues do.
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So it’s the cops fault that they are being targeted. Tell me you’re a progressive without telling me. Up is down.
 
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tim said:
So it’s the cops fault that they are being targeted. Tell me you’re a progressive without telling me. Up is down.
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In part yes, their increasing brutal behavior acts as a catalyst. When you kick and beat an animal (humans are animals BTW. however, much we deny it), at some point it feels cornered and begins to fight back. With you, the interesting thing is, I proposed solutions to the problem. You on the other hand went into the typical pro-blue Charlie Brown defensive lament: "Why's everybody always pickin' on me?"
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
“There’s no situation that a good cop can’t make worse.”

Been there, done that, and now I always teach that one to new deputies. Make sure all of your mistakes are honest ones. The power of your office comes from the people you serve.
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Even good cops make mistakes. It’s just inherent to being human.
 
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VolStrom said:
How many bad nurses would you protect? The problem with cops is they treat their own like they can do no wrong and protect them to a fault.
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I don’t protect nurses who harm or do not do their job. If they show a fundamental lack of knowledge for the area I go back to who trained them and start evaluating their competencies. They need some further instruction. There is allot less ass sitting when I’m at work than I hear reported on my nights off. We have already removed 2 RNs for gross negligence.
We are currently evaluating an RN for competency and ability. I like this lady allot but she is proving not to be able to handle the demands and is lacking in some basic tenants of ICU nursing. At this point it is dangerous for patients so my recommendation to my manager was either step down assignments or removal on her final evaluation. I know that sounds harsh. The overall protection of patients is my biggest concern in this.
We are in a defined area and evaluation is easy. I don’t have to have playback video to observe, I can in real time. I’m in every room.
To allow someone to move forward from training with question marks you have to ignore tendencies and behaviors. I have a hard time with that. My previous trainee had a few questionable behaviors I had to dispel for him before I signed his papers. I hear the behaviors haven’t been repeated when I’m not there soooo…
 
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VolStrom said:
How many bad nurses would you protect? The problem with cops is they treat their own like they can do no wrong and protect them to a fault.
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Nope I hate bad cops the problem is that too many laypeople don’t understand law and police procedures and claim some cops are doing “bad” when they actually aren’t
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
In part yes, their increasing brutal behavior acts as a catalyst. When you kick and beat an animal (humans are animals BTW. however, much we deny it), at some point it feels cornered and begins to fight back. With you, the interesting thing is, I proposed solutions to the problem. You on the other hand went into the typical pro-blue Charlie Brown defensive lament: "Why's everybody always pickin' on me?"
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You pose non factual words as evidence. It is not.. Todays police force is immensely better trained and less likely to go hands on or shoot than your grand dad’s or even your dad’s force. This may directly correlated to the willingness to assault LEO’s. This is purely speculative but so are your talking points.
 
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tim said:
You pose non factual words as evidence. It is not.. Todays police force is immensely better trained and less likely to go hands on or shoot than your grand dad’s or even your dad’s force. This may directly correlated to the willingness to assault LEO’s. This is purely speculative but so are your talking points.
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And where is your evidence of your claims? What you did was selectively read my post for trivial matters to argue about. If you really read it, you'd see that I gave clear explanations of what we need to do to have better performing PDs. Which in a nutshell is to have officers with true public service attitudes as opposed to a god-complex. Plus hold cops to the same legal consequences as citizen lawbreakers when they clearly break the law. As long as people, cops or otherwise, can get away with negative behaviors, they will continue to commit them. But nevermind, people like you have no, absolutely no intention of ever understanding either logic, common sense, or positive proactive change for the better. You're incapable of that, and always will be. And with that, I leaver you to mono-optically and privileged biased mindset. In other words, I'm blue flushing in this thread.

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WoodsmanVol said:
And where is your evidence of your claims? What you did was selectively read my post for trivial matters to argue about. If you really read it, you'd see that I gave clear explanations of what we need to do to have better performing PDs. Which in a nutshell is to have officers with true public service attitudes as opposed to a god-complex. Plus hold cops to the same legal consequences as citizen lawbreakers when they clearly break the law. As long as people, cops or otherwise, can get away with negative behaviors, they will continue to commit them. But nevermind, people like you have no, absolutely no intention of ever understanding either logic, common sense, or positive proactive change for the better. You're incapable of that, and always will be. And with that, I leaver you to mono-optically and privileged biased mindset. In other words, I'm blue flushing in this thread.

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I wish you would flush yourself to another board. You are literally one of the worst posters on this site and that’s saying something
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
And where is your evidence of your claims? What you did was selectively read my post for trivial matters to argue about. If you really read it, you'd see that I gave clear explanations of what we need to do to have better performing PDs. Which in a nutshell is to have officers with true public service attitudes as opposed to a god-complex. Plus hold cops to the same legal consequences as citizen lawbreakers when they clearly break the law. As long as people, cops or otherwise, can get away with negative behaviors, they will continue to commit them. But nevermind, people like you have no, absolutely no intention of ever understanding either logic, common sense, or positive proactive change for the better. You're incapable of that, and always will be. And with that, I leaver you to mono-optically and privileged biased mindset. In other words, I'm blue flushing in this thread.

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Nope. You drew conclusions based on nothing but feelings and pure bs. You are the problem.
 
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tim said:
Nope. You drew conclusions based on nothing but feelings and pure bs. You are the problem.
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It's OK, I understand you are a closed-minded, illiterate, creature who prefers to deny and insult rather than engage in intelligent discourse. You can't help yourself, nor can anyone else help you, I understand but also pity you.
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WoodsmanVol said:
It's OK, I understand you are a closed-minded, illiterate, creature who prefers to deny and insult rather than engage in intelligent discourse. You can't help yourself, nor can anyone else help you, I understand but also pity you.
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He needs your license plate number so he can protect and serve you the next time you pass him on the road.
 
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VolStrom said:
He needs your license plate number so he can protect and serve you the next time you pass him on the road.
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What for? He can neither read nor recognize numbers. He thinks numbers are either Egyptian hieroglyphs or Babylon cuneiform of which he understands neither. However, I have a fully functional surplus FGM-148 Javelin I invite him to stick his head into while I activate it by remote control.
 
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