To Protect and to Serve II

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Rickyvol77 said:
Everyone has a choice. You do realize there are millions of people who don’t drive or own a car in this country
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Sure, but if you want to drive, board a flight, be gainfully employed and a countless number of other things, you have to have some form of ID. There’s no law on the books that says everyone must have ID but good luck without one.
 
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#14,388
Rickyvol77 said:
I feel the violence every time I go the DMV and fill out my renewal forms. Lucky I’ve made it out alive with those brutal animals
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Law professors and lawyers instinctively shy away from considering the problem of law’s violence. Every law is violent. We try not to think about this, but we should. On the first day of law school, I tell my Contracts students never to argue for invoking the power of law except in a cause for which they are willing to kill. They are suitably astonished, and often annoyed. But I point out that even a breach of contract requires a judicial remedy; and if the breacher will not pay damages, the sheriff will sequester his house and goods; and if he resists the forced sale of his property, the sheriff might have to shoot him.
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This is by no means an argument against having laws.​
It is an argument for a degree of humility as we choose which of the many things we may not like to make illegal. Behind every exercise of law stands the sheriff – or the SWAT team – or if necessary the National Guard. Is this an exaggeration? Ask the family of Eric Garner, who died as a result of a decision to crack down on the sale of untaxed cigarettes. That’s the crime for which he was being arrested. Yes, yes, the police were the proximate cause of his death, but the crackdown was a political decree.​
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The statute or regulation we like best carries the same risk that some violator will die at the hands of a law enforcement officer who will go too far. And whether that officer acts out of overzealousness, recklessness, or simply the need to make a fast choice to do the job right, the violence inherent in law will be on display. This seems to me the fundamental problem that none of us who do law for a living want to face.​
But all of us should.​
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Sure, but if you want to drive, board a flight, be gainfully employed and a countless number of other things, you have to have some form of ID. There’s no law on the books that says everyone must have ID but good luck without one.
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You can get an ID that’s not a drivers license
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Eric garner didn’t die because he was seeking cigarettes. He died because he was resisting arrest and during the struggle his heart which was damaged from drug use and obesity gave out
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But absent the law that required the cops to crack down on untaxed cigarettes, they’d have no reason to contact him.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
But absent the law that required the cops to crack down on untaxed cigarettes, they’d have no reason to contact him.
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His initial contact was because he was involved in a fight they were called to. I understand your point though because they recognized him for his many many times of breaking said law
 
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#14,397
#14,397
Rickyvol77 said:
Eric garner didn’t die because he was seeking cigarettes. He died because he was resisting arrest and during the struggle his heart which was damaged from drug use and obesity gave out
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That was the cause of his death, but not the reason he died.
 
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