War in Ukraine

[Rasputin_Vol]

Do you hold Putin in the same contempt as you do the leaders of other countries for these acts in the countries?

You do realize there are multiple interests at play with many nations involved in almost all of those examples guess who else besides the west is involved....

I've said countless times that Putin is no better or worse than any other leader out here. The only thing that differentiates him from others is that his country has nukes. But with regards to addressing security threats in neighboring countries, he is doing exactly what any other leader would do in his situation if they had the capabilities. And rightfully so. Hell, I wish the US president would address the clear and escalating security concerns with our own border.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

No more than yours

Mine "narrative" is based on actual evidence of US State Department officials orchestrating the transitional govt at least 2 weeks prior to the coup.

Outside of corrupt mainstream media reports, what do you have?

 

[KB5252]

You're showing you bias and not showing much logic.

If he really wanted to target civilian targets for the purpose of total conquest, there wouldn't be a building left standing east of the Dneiper River.

Unless the issue is exactly as I've posited. I don't have a bias here, I'm applying logic and reason. If they had a plethora of precision missiles then there would be no need to destroy blocks of residential areas with intense shelling. One precision missile would serve the purpose of knocking out that government office, or tank or anti aircraft install. Instead what we are seeing is leveling of complete blocks.

So again if he had all these missiles he's either choosing to scorch earth and intend to create fear with indiscriminate shelling of residential areas. It's one or the other Ras it can't be both. He either has the missiles and is choosing to use a different strategy of shelling out he doesn't have the missiles. No bias, just facts..... It's one or the other.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

He's currently occupying Georgia, everyone knows who's in charge

Who is in charge of Georgia? Because it wouldn't be Putin.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Do you think those beliefs about government just magically disappeared with the fall of the Berlin Wall?

The communist party is still there, but not in power. Putin is not a member, nor are a large segment of the Duma.

And using that logic, are we to assume that large numbers of Americans still believe in Jim Crow segregation? Or have are we assuming that times have changed? If you are willing to give the US the benefit of doubt with regards to Jim Crow, then why can't you do the same for Russians that not only lived through the Soviet era, but the collapse and destruction of the 1990s?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

They are flying Soviet flags on tanks in Ukraine right now.

Is that like a leftist saying they were flying Confederate flags on January 6th? If it did occur, was it representative of the entire group or an outlier?

I bet you if you got that from the corrupt western media that it is likely a minority of people.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Wouldn't that be up to Ukraine to decide? After all it's them that's been invaded.

That would be great if Ukraine was left to decide this. The problem is that the US is encouraging Zelensky to continue on with this madness and dragging this out with a hardline stance.

The US needs to stop propping up this charade and giving Zelensky andbthis regime the false illusion that they are going to get overwhelming NATO support. They are not. Ukraine is just their geopolitical pawn that they are using against Russia. And if the US/NATO had their way, they would encourage them to fight to the very last drop of Ukrainian blood.

 

[Septic]

Is that like a leftist saying they were flying Confederate flags on January 6th? If it did occur, was it representative of the entire group or an outlier?

I bet you if you got that from the corrupt western media that it is likely a minority of people.

Until your motherland stops jailing broadcasters who deviate from State approved talking points, do your self a favor and stop pushing the "corrupt western media" narrative. We may have our problems but no one is going to jail for having a dissenting opinion from the government.

 

[AM64]

Putin to lose key ally as head of Russian bank turns her back on him for tanking economy

One of Vladimir Putin’s top officials and head of the Russian Central Bank, Elvira Nabiullina, has handed in her resignation twice over the leader plunging economy into a “sewer”

Vladimir Putin has seen one of his top officials look to turn their back on him as the head of a Russian bank has tried to resign — twice.

Elvira Nabiullina, who is a highly-respected Yale-educated economist, looks set to leave her post as head of the Russian Central Bank.
Ms Nabiullina, 58, claims she stood up to the Russian president after he sent his troops into Ukraine last month.
According to sources, she has twice tried to hand in her resignation to Putin but the leader has refused to accept it.
Reports have emerged of Ms Nabiullina telling Putin that his invasion of Ukraine has plunged the Russian economy into a “sewer”.

Elvira?

 

[KB5252]

I've said countless times that Putin is no better or worse than any other leader out here. The only thing that differentiates him from others is that his country has nukes. But with regards to addressing security threats in neighboring countries, he is doing exactly what any other leader would do in his situation if they had the capabilities. And rightfully so. Hell, I wish the US president would address the clear and escalating security concerns with our own border.

I've already proven this false. We did not invade, bomb and occupy city after city in Cuba and kill thousands of civilians.

 

[KB5252]

Mine "narrative" is based on actual evidence of US State Department officials orchestrating the transitional govt at least 2 weeks prior to the coup.

Outside of corrupt mainstream media reports, what do you have?

The people wanted him out because he was a Putin puppet and wanted to pivot west.

My evidence is the resistance to Russia by the Ukrainian people and their embracing Zelensky.

 

[AM64]

Didn't even make it to the Europeans...

400 Bulletproof Vests Destined For Ukraine Stolen In NYC: Officials | ZeroHedge

Well NYC is basically as corrupt as Russia; why expect anything better?

 

[KB5252]

Who is in charge of Georgia? Because it wouldn't be Putin.

Russia is currently occupying Georgia.... Who do you think is in charge Ras? Whoever Putin allows to be....

 

[KB5252]

Is that like a leftist saying they were flying Confederate flags on January 6th? If it did occur, was it representative of the entire group or an outlier?

I bet you if you got that from the corrupt western media that it is likely a minority of people.

The point is it was meant as a message in context of the invasion. Surely you get the meaning.

Unless you actually believe "heritage not hate" bs

 

[NCFisher]

Snowden is living in exile.

And Assange is in jail waiting on extradition.

Yes, living, not two in the head. And waiting, not dead from polonium pancakes.

I recall Snowden being charged with espionage and such. Now, whether one sees him or Assange as hero, traitor, etc. is beside the point; their actual motivations and who they shared info with are unknown. They knew that doesn't get rolled up and forgotten because you yell whistleblower.

 

[Sandman 423]

He is far more beloved by the Russian people than Biden is by the US people. What do you think he meant by an internal self cleansing policy? I guarantee you the average Russian citizen supports it.

Are you allowed to voice decent in Russia? I bet the people hauled of in buses don't didn't love him.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

You still don't get that we didn't "initiate" anything in Syria; it's as untrue as the bizarre civilian casualties you throw around for Iraq as fact.

Conflict began in late Jan. 2011 with the so-called Arab Spring sweeping the region. Syrians petitioned Assad for political reforms, and liberalization by ending the state of emergency in place since 1963 and the restoration of civil rights. When a military crackdown in May didn't quell dissent, Assad made empty promises and the National Council birthed to lead a revolt. Between non-Alawite rebel groups and defecting officers from the Syrian Armed Forces, the Free Syrian Army (FSA) was born in late July 2011, and a civil war was on.

Nor did we initiate a war in Ukraine by advocating Ukraine has the right to Westernize their nation and not remain in the tentacled KGB orbit of the paranoid autocrat residing next to them. You own both sides of your mouth but not the argument; if Assad had a right to put down insurgency, so did Zelensky. Hiding behind "Minsk II!" and 'more diplomacy' doesn't mask the contradiction. If Assad can put down insurgency and call in Putin, so can Zelensky in the Donbas and calling the U.S. and Europe.
The overwhelming majority of Ukrainians are telling you to stop toting Putin's water and that they have the right to sovereignty, but you're dedicated to the Russian cause under a sham "but America" argument.

Gotdammit, you guys have no idea WTF you are talking about with regards to Syria. We went in there precisely to overthrow Assad (with the help of fellow NATO member Turkey).

Seymour M. Hersh · The Red Line and the Rat Line: Erdoğan and the Syrian rebels · LRB 16 April 2014

In 2011 Barack Obama led an allied military intervention in Libya without consulting the US Congress. Last August, after the sarin attack on the Damascus suburb of Ghouta, he was ready to launch an allied air strike, this time to punish the Syrian government for allegedly crossing the ‘red line’ he had set in 2012 on the use of chemical weapons.

The joint chiefs also knew that the Obama administration’s public claims that only the Syrian army had access to sarin were wrong. The American and British intelligence communities had been aware since the spring of 2013 that some rebel units in Syria were developing chemical weapons.

The adventures of a Libyan weapons dealer in Syria

In the months since Haroun began his work, arming the rebels has moved up the international agenda, with Saudi Arabia equipping them with missiles, and Washington also planning to send weapons to the men fighting President Bashar al-Assad.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Even if it was the same, and I don't think that it is, It doesn't justify what is happening.

It didn't have to come to to this. The US chose to convince Ukraine to take a hardline instead of negotiating honestly and abiding by the Minsk II ceasefire agreements.

To be honest, there wouldn't be a Minsk II if there hadn't been a colour revolution by the Obama State Department the prior year.

 

[volgr]

But muh media says Putin isn't popular and the people are turning against him....

 

[KB5252]

That would be great if Ukraine was left to decide this. The problem is that the US is encouraging Zelensky to continue on with this madness and dragging this out with a hardline stance.

The US needs to stop propping up this charade and giving Zelensky andbthis regime the false illusion that they are going to get overwhelming NATO support. They are not. Ukraine is just their geopolitical pawn that they are using against Russia. And if the US/NATO had their way, they would encourage them to fight to the very last drop of Ukrainian blood.

Zelensky knows he isn't getting overwhelming support, that's evident and obvious. Hell we even offered to get him out. He knows what is coming but like a true leader he would not leave his people to fight while he's safe. Hell go down with the ship, he's fighting for his countrymen and their independence.

Remember: "Give me liberty or give me death"

 

[AM64]

Yale economist? Yeah, I'm sure her and Putin were good buddies.

Kinda makes sense if you remember biden's commie slut nominated to the US Office of the Comptroller of the Currency. She was a proud graduate of the Moscow State University.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I'll be the first to take up arms against the government when people are jailed for speaking their mind.

If these liberals and neocon RINOs maintain control after midterms, we will be a step closer to that dystopian nightmare. We're just creeping along gradually in that direction.

 

[KB5252]

If these liberals and neocon RINOs maintain control after midterms, we will be a step closer to that dystopian nightmare. We're just creeping along gradually in that direction.

And still decades away from what Russians experience.

 

[evillawyer]

Snowden is living in exile.

And Assange is in jail waiting on extradition.

That's a long winded way of saying, no, they're not imprisoned in the US and the US government didn't exile anybody.

Here's how your boy Putie Pie rolls:

Russia Fatally Poisoned A Prominent Defector In London, A Court Concludes

 

[hog88]

And still decades away from what Russians experience.

Not that many decades, 2-4 at most.