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Rickyvol77 said:
The same as for anyone else. You can sue them if you believe they violated civil rights outside of the law.
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It takes a person with power or authority to violate someone's civil rights. Your average street goon can't deprive you of your Constitutional rights. All they can do is rob you or whip your azz
 
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#14,354
Rasputin_Vol said:
It takes a person with power or authority to violate someone's civil rights. Your average street goon can't deprive you of your Constitutional rights. All they can do is rob you or whip your azz
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Don’t drink and use drugs and drive. You have nothing to worry about
 
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#14,356
Rickyvol77 said:
They would be sued and fired if there really were civil rights violations.
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If they illegally seize someone’s blood they should be happy to just get fired.

But that’s not what I’m asking.

They followed the rules, they seized the blood, and whoops. Mistake. He was clean the whole time. This is your 1 in 10,000 you alluded to.
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
Ras you make an contract with the state when you take their license that subjects you to all the civil obligations and yes, the right to be stopped anytime they have pc.
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Here is the problem, for lack of a better term, we are seeing mission creep. We're seeing more and more gradual intrusion into how they conduct their business. Blood drawing is a step too far and it is going in the wrong direction. So now, that opens the door for even more intrusive measures in the name of safety. And we have already seen how far they are willing to go in the name of safety with regards to COVID.
 
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85SugarVol said:
If they illegally seize someone’s blood they should be happy to just get fired.

But that’s not what I’m asking.

They followed the rules, they seized the blood, and whoops. Mistake. He was clean the whole time. This is your 1 in 10,000 you alluded to.
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Then they could be sued. Again
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Here is the problem, for lack of a better term, we are seeing mission creep. We're seeing more and more gradual intrusion into how they conduct their business. Blood drawing is a step too far and it is going in the wrong direction. So now, that opens the door for even more intrusive measures in the name of safety. And we have already seen how far they are willing to go in the name of safety with regards to COVID.
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Jesus again with forced Covid vaccine conspiracy
 
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#14,365
Rasputin_Vol said:
You need a car to make a living... and the state knows this. That's why the feel compelled to creep further and further and get more intrusive.

This is a step in the wrong direction.
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It’s really not at all. You have no constitutional right to drive a car on public roads
 
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#14,366
Rickyvol77 said:
It’s really not at all. You have no constitutional right to drive a car on public roads
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That is correct. But even with that said, that should not be a reason for the state to have the ability to do whatever they want on the road to citizens.

Again, just because something is made legal, that doesn't make it right or just. Cops can take cash and take blood from you on the side of the road... what is the next step?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
That is correct. But even with that said, that should not be a reason for the state to have the ability to do whatever they want on the road to citizens.

Again, just because something is made legal, that doesn't make it right or just. Cops can take cash and take blood from you on the side of the road... what is the next step?
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They don’t have the ability to “do whatever they want”. You make it sound like officers literally are taking blood from 100 people on a roadblock and that’s not what’s happening. In Knox county local jurisdictions take their prisoners to UTMC ED where Labcorp draws blood for them there. The only way this “moving” blood draw would really come into play is for THP who aren’t near any type of hospital
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
They don’t have the ability to “do whatever they want”. You make it sound like officers literally are taking blood from 100 people on a roadblock and that’s not what’s happening. In Knox county local jurisdictions take their prisoners to UTMC ED where Labcorp draws blood for them there. The only way this “moving” blood draw would really come into play is for THP who aren’t near any type of hospital
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I like that in Knox that the detainee must be taken to an actual medical facility.

Now let’s make sure we get the detainee actually in front of a judge, and we’re not dispensing justice via conference call.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
That is correct. But even with that said, that should not be a reason for the state to have the ability to do whatever they want on the road to citizens.

Again, just because something is made legal, that doesn't make it right or just. Cops can take cash and take blood from you on the side of the road... what is the next step?
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The roadside cash and physical property seizures are bad enough.

But we’re going to enter your body and seize your blood? On the side of the road? No.
 
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85SugarVol said:
I like that in Knox that the detainee must be taken to an actual medical facility.

Now let’s make sure we get the detainee actually in front of a judge, and we’re not dispensing justice via conference call.
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They don’t have to be taken to a medical facility. They also have nurses at the jail. There is a contract and it’s quicker at UT
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Here is the problem, for lack of a better term, we are seeing mission creep. We're seeing more and more gradual intrusion into how they conduct their business. Blood drawing is a step too far and it is going in the wrong direction. So now, that opens the door for even more intrusive measures in the name of safety. And we have already seen how far they are willing to go in the name of safety with regards to COVID.
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Just because I know what the law is doesn’t mean I don’t see what is happening under the color of law. False pc, the blue line, false reports, excessive use of force and loss of QI are now out in the light of day more than ever. It’s getting harder to hide. It still means that some are not of proper training and temperament to be police officers. There are good officers who do not go outside their oath. I know many of them and they are honest men. The “others” who are smarmy could care less about individual inalienable rights. They need the boot.
I don’t agree with civil statutes where there is no proven victim. It’s just a scheme to keep courts and lawyers busy and usurp an individuals inalienable right to conduct themselves. Unfortunately we have a country with a portion of people who take no self responsibility. Those who do not govern themselves will be governed.
Those who govern themselves responsibly should not have any public officers harassing them…. Zero and never. You are right that the line is moving further into invading rights as everyone is seen as guilty and whatever the objective is a few decimated individual freedoms is worth it. I do not agree with any individual rights being violated, I don’t give a crap how much you want to arrest Jimmy shithead, if you have to climb over me to do it. Find another way.
The .gov have given themselves emergency powers and they have overstepped. I never agreed and nobody I know has ever agreed with gov overreach unless they are nanny state lovers living in fear. Gov was established to protect the governed rights. No one I know giggles when they pay taxes. I personally don’t need the gov. But yet they have made it almost impossible to function daily with out some form of adhesion contract with them. Marriage license, drivers license, professional license, ss numbers all hook you up into the federal and state Gov. “ privileges”. They aren’t privileges, they are just a road to punishments and payment. The exact opposite of what gov was established for.
I’ll shut up now.
 
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