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#11,727
#11,727
Going to be weird next year depending on RB hires. Every year he has had a coach that he worked with previously or coached (Schwartz).

I don't think he coached with
Gainey or Clark previously, right?
 
#11,730
#11,730
Why can't Oscar at least be Reggie Evans? RE still had a long career. Granted the NBA has changed a bit and I'd say he is more offensively talented that RE. However, I'd say that the NBA RE played in allowed him to be a better defender and RE wouldn't be as valued in today's spaced out game.

That being said, I see that as a relatively fair comp.
 
#11,734
#11,734
johnfnkelly said:
I love how @cncchris33 thinks he can take a glance at somebody’s advance metrics and conclude he knows the ins and outs of every player. That’s not how basketball works.
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I love how @johnfnkelly thinks it takes me looking at advanced metrics to prove how categorically wrong he is when it comes to Oscar Tshiebwe’s value as a college player. Spoiler alert… points, field goal attempts, and rebounds aren’t advanced metrics.

Rather, the only “advanced metric” you’ve provided is “he doesn’t pass my eye test”. You’ve ignored every other protest and manner of proof to dissolve your silly opinion on the matter, and instead, you’ve chosen to exercise some real mental gymnastics to ineffectively prove your point, and now you’re just calling people out to deflect from your flimsy argument. That seems to be going well.
 
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johnfnkelly said:
Oscar is barely projected to be drafted, but will end up a good NBA player? He's 6'9. Can't defend mobile bigs and has 0 outside shot. No elite go-to move under the basket. Struggles against length. Lost the battle vs Walker Kessler and could barely get a shot over Aidoo.

He has a good motor and can run but he's not an elite athlete by any means.

It's not the 90's anymore.
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Tshiebwe has a very good outside shot and is strong at the ft line. Bashing him is as hard to understand as the Barnes bashers. How I wish we could be so lucky that our SEC POW would be the matchup were the most worried about in our next opponent!
 
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walkenvol said:
Tshiebwe has a very good outside shot and is strong at the ft line. Bashing him is as hard to understand as the Barnes bashers. How I wish we could be so lucky that our SEC POW would be the matchup were the most worried about in our next opponent!
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Oscar has taken 0 3pt shots this season and is a 69% career free throw shooter.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I love how @johnfnkelly thinks it takes me looking at advanced metrics to prove how categorically wrong he is when it comes to Oscar Tshiebwe’s value as a college player. Spoiler alert… points, field goal attempts, and rebounds aren’t advanced metrics.

Rather, the only “advanced metric” you’ve provided is “he doesn’t pass my eye test”. You’ve ignored every other protest and manner of proof to dissolve your silly opinion on the matter, and instead, you’ve chosen to exercise some real mental gymnastics to ineffectively prove your point, and now you’re just calling people out to deflect from your flimsy argument. That seems to be going well.
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I don’t need stats to prove Oscar is an overrated basketball player. He’s not a top 5 player in the country to me. His numbers are often empty. The only game against an elite team where his big numbers translated to a win was against Kansas.
 
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johnfnkelly said:
I don’t need stats to prove Oscar is an overrated basketball player. He’s not a top 5 player in the country to me. His numbers are often empty. The only game against an elite team where his big numbers translated to a win was against Kansas.
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Ok, bud. I guess his 17 pts and 20 rebs were the reason UK lost to Duke just like his 30 and 18 is why they lost at Arkansas. Just not productive enough and costing his team some additional wins. A real shame. I think it's cute how you pin his team's success (wins and losses) solely on him and his numbers, despite how well he may have played, individually. Solid argument.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Ok, bud. I guess his 17 pts and 20 rebs were the reason UK lost to Duke just like his 30 and 18 is why they lost at Arkansas. Just not productive enough and costing his team some additional wins. A real shame. I think it's cute how you pin his team's success (wins and losses) solely on him and his numbers, despite how well he may have played, individually. Solid argument.
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If you could pinpoint where I stated UK’s success is solely on him that’d be great. Thanks.
 
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johnfnkelly said:
Oscar has taken 0 3pt shots this season and is a 69% career free throw shooter.
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So a 12-18 foot shot by a center is no longer an “outside shot” - only 3 pointers are considered “outside shots”? Tshiebwe is certainly a solid shooter outside the paint and inside the 3 point line this season. I’m not Calipari, but if I’ve got the leading rebounder for the past 40 years I sure don’t want him out at the 3 point line.
 
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johnfnkelly said:
If you could pinpoint where I stated UK’s success is solely on him that’d be great. Thanks.
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Certainly. Happy to assist.
johnfnkelly said:
I don’t need stats to prove Oscar is an overrated basketball player. He’s not a top 5 player in the country to me. His numbers are often empty. The only game against an elite team where his big numbers translated to a win was against Kansas.
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What does that bolded statement imply? It certainly reads as though you believe team success/failure ("wins against elite teams") is directly tied to Tshiebwe's production ("big numbers").
 
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#11,742
#11,742
Tshiebwe is a very good player at the college level. But he is aided greatly by the friendly whistle, or lack of whistle he gets at UK. He's allowed to foul constantly on rebounds and spend 5-8 seconds in the lane on offense. Those are huge advantages he didn't get at West Virginia and his RPG doubled from his last season there to this year.

He's not a good NBA prospect because his defense is not good, its actually pretty bad. Fulkerson made him look like a statue. He doesn't shoot 3s either and has trouble scoring on 6'11+ guys, many of whom are in the NBA. Enes Kanter and some other guys like Tshiebwe can't get consistent NBA playing time because they can't defend out of the post.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
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golfballs said:
I don’t think he’s the only one pushing it. Sounds widely acknowledged
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If true, I hope there’s another $100 million left for linemen and the defense.

One argument that I heard against it is that Heupel is going to take any very good QB and make them great. Like Ty Simpson when he transfers to TN.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
If true, I hope there’s another $100 million left for linemen and the defense.

One argument that I heard against it is that Heupel is going to take any very good QB and make them great. Like Ty Simpson when he transfers to TN.
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I don’t really understand how this can jive with the coaching staff if they’re supposedly not involved.
 
#11,750
#11,750
Thunder Good-Oil said:
Basilio is pushing the narrative and stirring the **** that he’s the player getting an $8 million N-I-L deal. That doesn’t sound very Tennessee. While saying he’s too skinny and will be broken in two.
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Which is somewhat ironic given that he was also stirring the pot over Tennessee allegedly not being prepared when NIL was signed into law. Now that we have our act together, he's complaining that we are using it to our advantage.
 
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