‘23 CA QB Nicholaus Iamaleava (Tennessee)

[Sugaray13]

I think what he is saying is that if they spend $10M on Nico and Nico is a bust, then they may not be as inclined to spend big bucks on the next "Nico".

This is why the NIL deal should be based on what they have done for the team and university, meaning not until they produce on the court/field and not used to lure (recruit) players. Players should not be given a NIL deal until their sophomore year.

 

[Vol8188]

This is why the NIL deal should be based on what they have done for the team and university, meaning not until they produce on the court/field and not used to lure (recruit) players. Players should not be given a NIL deal until their sophomore year.

I think you should work for free this year too.

 

[Sugaray13]

I think you should work for free this year too.

Not sure college tuition, clothes, shoes, housing, food, etc. is working for free.

 

[Vol8188]

Not sure college tuition, clothes, shoes, housing, food, etc. is working for free.

That's fine. You can keep your insurance and benefits. Just give up your salary

Seriously though, why do so many of you want to limit another person's ability to earn money?

Does this take food off your table?

 

[Orange_Crush]

This is why the NIL deal should be based on what they have done for the team and university, meaning not until they produce on the court/field and not used to lure (recruit) players. Players should not be given a NIL deal until their sophomore year.

Not sure college tuition, clothes, shoes, housing, food, etc. is working for free.

NIL is merely allowing them to make $$$ off of their own likeness. It is expressly NOT a contract with the school. College athletes should have every right that you or I have under the constitution. It's odd to me that someone outside the actual contract should come in and say, "You have to jump through THESE hoops before THEY can give YOU sponsorship money."

 

[Orange_Crush]

That's fine. You can keep your insurance and benefits. Just give up your salary

Seriously though, why do so many of you want to limit another person's ability to earn money?

Does this take food off your table?

It truly is odd. I suspect that if the detractors had someone call and say, "We want to give you a million dollars to e able to use your name and image for XYZ...", and someone else said, "We don't think you should be able to do that...", they'd be the first to point out that it's their name and image, so kick rocks

 

[Sugaray13]

That's fine. You can keep your insurance and benefits. Just give up your salary

Seriously though, why do so many of you want to limit another person's ability to earn money?

Does this take food off your table?

NIL was never meant to be a recruiting tool and that is all it is right now. Players will go to the highest bidder. What has the athlete done to deserve millions of dollars when they have not done one single thing for the team or university to deserve that money. I never said I didn't want them to be able to make money. I have no problem with that but it should be based on their play and what they have done not used to recruit players.

 

[Vol8188]

It truly is odd. I suspect that if the detractors had someone call and say, "We want to give you a million dollars to e able to use your name and image for XYZ...", and someone else said, "We don't think you should be able to do that...", they'd be the first to point out that it's their name and image, so kick rocks

Really strange. Let the market figure it out. Some players will make a lot, most will make a little, all will be fed and educated. Seems positive all around.

 

[Sugaray13]

NIL is merely allowing them to make $$$ off of their own likeness. It is expressly NOT a contract with the school. College athletes should have every right that you or I have under the constitution. It's odd to me that someone outside the actual contract should come in and say, "You have to jump through THESE hoops before THEY can give YOU sponsorship money."

My point is it is used for recruiting and that was not the original intention.

 

[Vol8188]

NIL was never meant to be a recruiting tool and that is all it is right now. Players will go to the highest bidder. What has the athlete done to deserve millions of dollars when they have not done one single thing for the team or university to deserve that money. I never said I didn't want them to be able to make money. I have no problem with that but it should be based on their play and what they have done not used to recruit players.

Why does that make a difference? Plenty of professions receive signing bonuses right out of school without ever accomplishing a thing in their field. Do you want to limit signing bonuses for EMTs, attorney's, oil rig workers, or any other profession?

Or just for football players? It's a really weird hill to die on.

 

[Vol8188]

My point is it is used for recruiting and that was not the original intention.

Why does that matter?

 

[SSVol]

Every business that buys season tickets or donates to a school loses money, correct?

As I've said ad nauseum, the money is there as long as people perceive value. I spend money to buy Terrace tickets because I like sitting in a chair back on the 50 and I can afford it. The problem is when they lose the perception of value.

Georgia's recruiting picked up when Smart took over. AV said he'd never seen that level of investment before. They saw value. They invested. Butch's recruiting tanked after the second year he didn't meet expectations. I don't know for sure, but it wouldn't surprise me that those who spend money for such things quit doing so. The levels being invested at that time were far lower (most likely) than what is happening now. I have no doubt Tennessee fans will throw money at this for a while. I'm simply not convinced that those numbers are sustainable over the long term. Doesn't matter what I think. They will or they won't.

For the record, however, I considered dropping my tickets this year. They've eliminated the 'donation' portion and have simply raised the ticket price. The donation portion was the majority of the cost for premium seats and was 80% deductible. It was easier to justify the cost. I will likely renew, but haven't yet, which is unusual for us. I had considered moving up to one of the clubs, but that almost certainly won't happen now.

I'm done.

 

[Orange_Crush]

My point is it is used for recruiting and that was not the original intention.

It is what it is. That doesn't change the fact that (a) it's not a contract with the university, and (b) it IS a contract between two parties. So (c), who are you to put limits on how/when someone else can make money on their own likeness?

As 8188 pointed out, the market will dictate what they "deserve".

 

[Sugaray13]

It is what it is. That doesn't change the fact that (a) it's not a contract with the university, and (b) it IS a contract between two parties. So (c), who are you to put limits on how/when someone else can make money on their own likeness?

As 8188 pointed out, the market will dictate what they "deserve".

When we offer Krystals deals and Kentucky is giving away Porsches..... should be great times ahead.

 

[SSVol]

When we offer Krystals deals and Kentucky is giving away Porsches..... should be great times ahead.

Obviously we just need to burn down every recruit's house. Problem solved.

 

[TrippieRedd]

When we offer Krystals deals and Kentucky is giving away Porsches..... should be great times ahead.

I'd rather have Krystals

 

[Vol8188]

As I've said ad nauseum, the money is there as long as people perceive value. I spend money to buy Terrace tickets because I like sitting in a chair back on the 50 and I can afford it. The problem is when they lose the perception of value.

Georgia's recruiting picked up when Smart took over. AV said he'd never seen that level of investment before. They saw value. They invested. Butch's recruiting tanked after the second year he didn't meet expectations. I don't know for sure, but it wouldn't surprise me that those spend money for such things quit doing so. The levels being invested at that time were far lower (most likely) than what is happening now. I have no doubt Tennessee fans will throw money at this for a while. I'm simply not convinced that those numbers are sustainable over the long term. Doesn't matter what I think. They will or they won't.

For the record, however, I considered dropping my tickets this year. They've eliminated the 'donation' portion and have simply raised the ticket price. The donation portion was the majority of the cost for premium seats and was 80% deductible. It was easier to justify the cost. I will likely renew, but haven't yet, which is unusual for us. I had considered moving up to one of the clubs, but that almost certainly won't happen now.

I'm done.

We have consistently been around 1st to 3rd in recruiting. Butch's recruiting falling off had 0 to do with

Even if your seats were 100% deductible you would still be losing money.

You're claiming there's not 10 million to spend at UT to field an elite roster yet our ticket revenue was over 40 million. You don't think those same business owners would pay a 25% premium to win? We raised over 340k for a basketball player in under 24 hours

As to your bolded claim, I'd challenge you to find a time when we were outside of the top 3 in recruiting budget.

 

[Orange_Crush]

When we offer Krystals deals and Kentucky is giving away Porsches..... should be great times ahead.

So, that's the real reason you take issue? So, your logic is: "We should limit free citizen's right to make money off their own likeness because I'm afraid we can't afford him"?

That's just... gross.

 

[Vol8188]

When we offer Krystals deals and Kentucky is giving away Porsches..... should be great times ahead.

If you don't think we are competitive when it comes to NIL you're out of your mind. You'll be hard-pressed to find larger fanbases. We are top ten in revenue annually.

 

[Vol8188]

So, that's the real reason you take issue? So, your logic is: "We should limit free citizen's right to make money off their own likeness because I'm afraid we can't afford him"?

That's just... gross.

Along with ignorant. Few fanbases as large as ours and few schools that bring in more football revenue

 

[Pridedad]

I'd rather have Krystals

 

[Vol8188]

Obviously we just need to burn down every recruit's house. Problem solved.

Imagine seeing something amazing done for a young man's family as they're in need and then being pathetic enough to mock it. You must be a lot of fun.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Along with ignorant. Few fanbases as large as ours and few schools that bring in more football revenue

It's self-defeating logic.

On one hand, I'm arguing that their NIL should be limited until they prove their worth.
But actually, they're worth so much I'm afraid we'll lose them to higher bids, so cap the bids.

WTH?

 

[SSVol]

We have consistently been around 1st to 3rd in recruiting. Butch's recruiting falling off had 0 to do with

Even if your seats were 100% deductible you would still be losing money.

You're claiming there's not 10 million to spend at UT to field an elite roster yet our ticket revenue was over 40 million. You don't think those same business owners would pay a 25% premium to win? We raised over 340k for a basketball player in under 24 hours

As to your bolded claim, I'd challenge you to find a time when we were outside of the top 3 in recruiting budget.

UT isn't the one spending the money. The recruiting budget has nothing to do with this.

You aren't gonna get an elite roster for $10M if you are paying a single QB $2-3M per year. I assume every quality player is making money every year. It'll be way more than $10M. They aren't selling out the stadium now, but more money than the annual ticket sales is just gonna materialize to pay players...and continue to buy tickets? No.

 

[SSVol]

Imagine seeing something amazing done for a young man's family as they're in need and then being pathetic enough to mock it. You must be a lot of fun.

It's called dark humor. Lighten up Francis.