‘23 CA QB Nicholaus Iamaleava (Tennessee)

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DaddyChad said:
Honestly if the qbs he’s getting to the league aren’t that good isn’t that more impressive? Or are we going to say his offense doesn’t prepare players for the league? If it’s my kid, get him an opportunity to play at the next level what he does then is on him and his coaches. Like you said basically
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Yes. This. I've been saying this forever.

The most impressive thing you can do as a coach is get JaMarcus Russell drafted first overall.

The more NFL busts you have, the better a coach you are. You schemed a player to so much success you fooled a team with a 9 figure budget into investing in him.
 
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Ten_Titans said:
Yes. This. I've been saying this forever.

The most impressive thing you can do as a coach is get JaMarcus Russell drafted first overall.

The more NFL busts you have, the better a coach you are. You schemed a player to so much success you fooled a team with a 9 figure budget into investing in him.
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That's not how that works but ok
 
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From Rivals:

There are four five-star pro-style quarterbacks in the 2023 class now and two of them threw Sunday at East Los Angeles College in USC commit Malachi Nelson and Downey (Calif.) Warren’s Nico Iamaleava.

The two are similar in some ways - phenomenal arm talent, the ability to throw receivers open, clearly two of the best quarterbacks in this class - but different as well. Nelson is more cerebral, a quiet leader, a surgeon. Iamaleava takes over with physical tools, his incredibly long and athletic frame, the ball popping off his hand all over the field as he makes throws that look nearly impossible.

The debate will continue through the offseason and probably into their senior years about which one should be ranked higher. Right now, Iamaleava is ranked as the fourth-best quarterback in the class but it’s hard to imagine three are better even if they’re named Arch Manning, Malachi Nelson and Dante Moore.

Nelson dissects defenses, patiently waits for a crack in the door and then obliterates defense. California has two five-star quarterbacks and they were both impressive - again - this past weekend.
 
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From Rivals:

There are four five-star pro-style quarterbacks in the 2023 class now and two of them threw Sunday at East Los Angeles College in USC commit Malachi Nelson and Downey (Calif.) Warren’s Nico Iamaleava.

The two are similar in some ways - phenomenal arm talent, the ability to throw receivers open, clearly two of the best quarterbacks in this class - but different as well. Nelson is more cerebral, a quiet leader, a surgeon. Iamaleava takes over with physical tools, his incredibly long and athletic frame, the ball popping off his hand all over the field as he makes throws that look nearly impossible.

The debate will continue through the offseason and probably into their senior years about which one should be ranked higher. Right now, Iamaleava is ranked as the fourth-best quarterback in the class but it’s hard to imagine three are better even if they’re named Arch Manning, Malachi Nelson and Dante Moore.

Nelson dissects defenses, patiently waits for a crack in the door and then obliterates defense. California has two five-star quarterbacks and they were both impressive - again - this past weekend.
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Should be 3, Rashada>Moore
 
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allvolrecruiting said:
That's not how that works but ok
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That's hyperbole, but it's way more true than the converse statement which people make all the time.

"Saban isn't that good of a coach, look at how many Bama players bust."

The number of Bama players that bust only speaks to the coaching, not against it.
 
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Ten_Titans said:
Yes. This. I've been saying this forever.

The most impressive thing you can do as a coach is get JaMarcus Russell drafted first overall.

The more NFL busts you have, the better a coach you are. You schemed a player to so much success you fooled a team with a 9 figure budget into investing in him.
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I guess Saban is the worst coach for WRs ever. All his big time WR prospects have success. Saban is a bad coach for WRs!
 
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From 247 and probably the basis for Wiltfong's CB prediction which is flimsy at best. The other note is the other school his mother visited other than Oregon is the good guys and she should be returning this weekend.

NICHOLAUS IAMALEAVA, DOWNEY (CALIF.) WARREN, QUARTERBACK

247Sports Composite Rank: No. 7

Iamaleava recently visited Oregon and the Ducks look to be in a good spot right now. Oregon was his dream school growing up because of Marcus Mariotta who was his favorite quarterback. He had an uncle AJ Tuitele who played there. That was one of the only two schools his mother visited when they visited last month and she fell in love with the school. The only reservation right now is wanting to get a better feel for the offense and they’re going to be able to do that when they visit again when spring ball starts. Iamaleava is also going to take visits in March to Georgia and Tennessee. Those schools are very much in the mix as is Alabama. A commitment is expected in April.
-Greg Biggins, 247Sports National Analyst

Oregon has set the bar in the recruitment of Iamaleava and it’s up to the SEC programs to flip it on these upcoming spring visits.
-Steve Wiltfong 247Sports Director of Recruiting
 
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If anyone is up to the task of setting the bar & blowing a recruit away it's the University of TN.We really need to nail this one stating the obvious but Oregon with the Polynesian flair and let's not forget Nike,and then the Ole Uncle.Im pretty sure it's understood what needs to be done!Man I hope we can win this one in the end for once,I really think he could change this program so much and I don't say that about any Ole recruit.Kid just has a swagger to him and a great family.
 
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allvolrecruiting said:
I guess Saban is the worst coach for WRs ever. All his big time WR prospects have success. Saban is a bad coach for WRs!
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Not gonna lie. I have no idea who you think this is directed to lol.

Do you think that's my point? That if draft busts are indicitive of good college coaching, draft successes are indicitive of bad coaching?

If you are going to straw man an argument, at least choose an argument a rational and sane person as ever made in the history of ever lol.

I'll simplify so even the someone with the tiniest of pee brains can comprehend: Getting a player in the position to even qualify to be an NFL bust is good college coaching. If they fail for whatever reason, congrats on having the ability to disguise or otherwise compensate for that at the college level.
 
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swampfoxfan said:
Auburn? You think Knoxville is the only city with homeless encampment? Check out D.C.
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Where did I say I thought Knoxville was unique in that? The context was in response to the poster suggesting Knoxville was universally awesome. It isn't, and when putting our best foot forward there are some places best avoided. I'm sure that's true in almost every town.

I am a bit surprised that Knoxville leadership allows it to look like it does while in clear view of I40. Homelessness may not be optional for some, but living in a landfill is a choice.
 
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Devo182 said:
Relative to revenue and their equitably calculated value in the market - heck yes.

NFL rookies can ride the bench for about 350 or 400k. Can't convince me a Heisman QB is worth 50-100k when millions are watching the sport.
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Big difference between a guy who got drafted after performing well in college, and a guy who recently got his first pube. I have no problem seeing HH earn big money. I think it's silly to promise that to the next JG.
 
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Bruce Wayne said:
Knoxville has come a long way. The strip even looks good now, it’s not as fun as it used to be but I’m not either so who am I to judge.

I’m sure they’ll see the nice parts of town. I assume they’ll be in Hardin Valley some that’s where Spyre is. However most people I meet from California are in awe of every part of Knoxville because it’s so different from Cali.
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I do agree the strip looks so much better. It was so pathetic back in the day. Even growing up, downtown was just sad. A lot of it I didn't notice till I talked to people that had moved there...and I traveled elsewhere. The "billboards every 5 feet" and fast food chain every 5 feet along the strip and many parts of town I definitely started noticing more the older I got. I'm glad they are trying to beautify Knoxville. It deserves it. The surroundings are too beautiful.
 
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Big difference between a guy who got drafted after performing well in college, and a guy who recently got his first pube. I have no problem seeing HH earn big money. I think it's silly to promise that to the next JG.
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Wasn't speaking on HS NiLs as much as overall roster:coach payout ratios in a free(r) market.

I'd tend to agree with the above...it comes back to risk mgmt. The NFL is lucky (and intentionally keeps and loves the 3 year rule because of investment risks in unknown 18 year olds) in that they can see kids develop before investing huge sums...but even then they can get away with paying rookies pretty small amounts. And then, equal to HH, unload the big contracts in y3, y4, etc.

Unfortunately, at least until the market figures things out, I think everyone will be paying a premium to take on risks with 5* QBs. They are just too valuable if you do "hit" on one. But also why you structure as 3-4 year deals...escalating preferably with exit clauses.
 
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Wasn't speaking on HS NiLs as much as overall roster:coach payout ratios in a free(r) market.

I'd tend to agree with the above...it comes back to risk mgmt. The NFL is lucky (and intentionally keeps and loves the 3 year rule because of investment risks in unknown 18 year olds) in that they can see kids develop before investing huge sums...but even then they can get away with paying rookies pretty small amounts. And then, equal to HH, unload the big contracts in y3, y4, etc.
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The list of 5* QB busts is long. I'm shocked at the numbers being thrown around before a guy takes his first college snap. Now if the deals are are backloaded in such a way that performance will ultimately affect the outcome, then maybe.
 
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swampfoxfan said:
You been to Tuscaloosa Athens auburn?
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Oh hell no 🤣 The deep south is way worse. I mean...Georgia is ok I'll admit. They have some decent, even very nice, areas. But Ms/Al are nearly 3rd world countries...

Versus other SEC college towns (so not Nashville), I'd say Knoxville is basically in the top tier. I didn't mean to point to otherwise. But that is also a pretty crappy standard, nationally, if we're being honest. The names you mentioned...plus Columbia...Columbia...Gainesville...College Station...woof! I have no idea about Eugene, but have heard it's pretty cool...Newt seems to like it. Surely has to be better than Tuscaloosa or Athens. Maybe not as nice as Knoxville though. Oregon cities seem to be pretty bleh overall. Jmo
 
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Devo182 said:
Oh hell no 🤣 The deep south is way worse. I mean...Georgia is ok I'll admit. They have some decent, even very nice, areas. But Ms/Al are nearly 3rd world countries...

Versus other SEC college towns (so not Nashville), I'd say Knoxville is basically in the top tier. I didn't mean to point to otherwise. But that is also a pretty crappy standard, nationally, if we're being honest. The names you mentioned...plus Columbia...Columbia...Gainesville...College Station...woof! I have no idea about Eugene, but have heard it's pretty cool...Newt seems to like it. Surely has to be better than Tuscaloosa or Athens. Maybe not as nice as Knoxville though. Oregon cities seem to be pretty bleh overall. Jmo
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Eugene is nothing spectacular I give you that but the campus area is gorgeous. Also you are 30 minutes from the Cascades and an hour from the beach. If that's your jam. My mushroom eating ass sure dug it.
 
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For the “they don’t deserve that much money because they haven’t played a game yet” crowd, how do you feel about salaries for first time employees coming out of college? They haven’t worked yet, but they’ve been preparing in college much like these kids have been preparing in high school and training in their off time.
 
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Bruce Wayne said:
For the “they don’t deserve that much money because they haven’t played a game yet” crowd, how do you feel about salaries for first time employees coming out of college? They haven’t worked yet, but they’ve been preparing in college much like these kids have been preparing in high school and training in their off time.
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Out of college? After paying for the education? And I can fire them when they don't perform? Very different.

I'm not opposed to them being paid. I just think the numbers being thrown around for a completely unproven commodity are insane. Imagine being on the hook for 7 figures for Hunter Johnson. That's nuts.

Lots of kids work hard just for a chance to go to college...while paying for it themselves. Acting like working hard entitles you to 7 figures is silly. When you are starting for a major P5 program? Perfectly ok with that.
 
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