War in Ukraine

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utvolpj said:
There was an inadvertent fact in your post where you compared Trump economy to Clinton. You were right but not for the reason you think. Both were shaky but showed to go on because it looked good

Trump torpedoed himself on the covid part
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Clinton had us out of debt, and people around here were working like never before under trump, that's what I base it being good on. Many people automatically assume all Mexican people want a Democrat because of the media, they loved trump because of the work available. That's what I was talking about.
 
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Septic said:
You mean like voting third party?

Try it, it's not that hard. Tell your friend.

Change starts with you.
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What multi-party society are we to emulate? That is, name one that provides more protection of individual rights and equal application of justice in a constitutional republic? I don't see that society; it doesn't exist in CA, AU, NZ, or Europe.

If managing two parties is beyond us, more is the remedy?
 
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NCFisher said:
What multi-party society are we to emulate? That is, name one that provides more protection of individual rights and equal application of justice in a constitutional republic? I don't see that society; it doesn't exist in CA, AU, NZ, or Europe.

If managing two parties is beyond us, more is the remedy?
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Nah, let's keep doing the same thing over and over. At some point it will spontaneously change for the better. Right?
 
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Matt2496 said:
Does Ukraine have any other SAM’s besides stingers? Because when push comes to shove, Stingers aren’t going to cut it in the long term. They only have a max altitude of 10,000ft. They could just plink targets from above 10,000 ft if they wanted to.
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No SAMs. Stingers only good against helicopters and slow transport planes.
 
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0nelilreb said:
That’s exactly why we should mind our own business . The European countries do not want or need our input that only want to use our big ass hammer when they feel like they are in danger , as soon as the threat is over then they go back to looking down im their noses at us .
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The problem is, every time we back out, we end up getting pulled into it in the long run unfortunately. I agree though that the Europeans need to really step up here. The thought or Russia threatening an Alliance of most of Europe would seem ludicrous in the 1910s for example. All of those countries were very capable of defending themselves from Russia.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
You could see how Trump felt about Russia when he declined to hold them culpable for the December 2020 cyber-attack against American businesses, against the publicly stated conclusion of his own Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo. He would not even consider the possibility that Russia was responsible... but you want people to believe that Trump has been tough on Russia? That is a crock of bull $hit.

That is not "always how he handles adversaries."

1) Trump held China responsible for the Coronavirus.

2) Trump held "Little Rocket Man" responsible for stepping up weapons of mass destruction tests.

Why not hold Russia responsible for that massive December 2020 cyber-attack? It did significant and costly damage.
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He didn’t hold either of those two countries responsible for anything….. it is part of how he negotiates…. It changes based on who he is talking to or about…

As for cyber attacks…. We definitely need to do something but it starts with being the leading of that field…. Biden talked mean about Russia and we are still receiving cyber attacks from that country and from others.

Imo…. We keep using the same strategies that we have used for 100 years…. Russian values are not the same as ours…. We need to stop using the same played out sanctions that would be a deterrent to us but Russia laughs at.
 
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joevol33 said:
Clinton had us out of debt, and people around here were working like never before under trump, that's what I base it being good on. Many people automatically assume all Mexican people want a Democrat because of the media, they loved trump because of the work available. That's what I was talking about.
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No, Clinton lowered the deficit to a small number while Trump had it around a trillion per year. We were never out of debt under Clinton. He also allowed a bubble to continue which ultimately popped. That's the same that was happening under Trump
 
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05_never_again said:
That's a big development. I think there was some uncertainty about that.
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It's a cancerous development.

There are constant cyberattacks from Russia, but not necessarily by the Russian military/government. It seems like a great way to drag us into a war the political class wants over a nothingburger.
 
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joevol33 said:
Clinton had us out of debt, and people around here were working like never before under trump, that's what I base it being good on. Many people automatically assume all Mexican people want a Democrat because of the media, they loved trump because of the work available. That's what I was talking about.
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Two small budget surpluses at the end of his second term does not equal "out of debt."

If you have $100k in debt outstanding, spent more money than you took in from January to October, then in November and December took in more money than you spent, you wouldn't be out of debt.
 
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ButchPlz said:
It's a cancerous development.

There are constant cyberattacks from Russia, but not necessarily by the Russian military/government. It seems like a great way to drag us into a war the political class wants over a nothingburger.
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They are done at the direction of the Russian government, who pay them as independent contractors so they have plausible deniability.
 
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