War in Ukraine

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Russia probably isn’t showcasing their high tech weaponry yet. I bet they are keeping that as a surprise, so I don’t think the Ukraine will win this battle or hold them off much longer.
 
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Velo Vol said:
A guy on the radio just made the point that Russian $$$ didn't believe Putin was going to do this. Their market certainly hadn't priced it in.

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I don't know if this is true, so take it with a grain of salt, but there was a lot of chatter last night in a subreddit I follow on Reddit stating Russia has like half a trillion dollars in foreign currency stockpiled. If true, they can take the hit for a while.
 
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Velo Vol said:
A guy on the radio just made the point that Russian $$$ didn't believe Putin was going to do this. Their market certainly hadn't priced it in.

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Geez, down almost half. I wouldn’t touch a Russian stock even at these levels. China is long since been in my rear view mirror too.
 
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Gandalf said:
No, it would not have. Not because Trump is some great war leader but because he is unpredictable. Putin has no interest in a war with America and the EU (right now at least). Why do that? when he can get his Ukraine cake and eat it. Putin would have feared that Trump would have done something military that would have made it difficult for him to save face without greater problems. Again, it is the unpredictability factor.
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When it comes to Russia, Donald Trump is actually quite predictable.

Donald Trump claims DNC itself, not Russians, masterminded hack

Trump downplays Russia in first comments on cyberattack

Have you forgotten that, as a lame duck President in December of 2020, Donald Trump publicly sided with Vladimir Putin's denial of involvement in the massive cyber attack against US businesses, over the conclusion of his own Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo?

Donald Trump will always respond to acts of Russian aggression by either downplaying it or denying that it actually happened. He will also praise Putin in the process. Why would Vladimir Putin be afraid of someone who is always either defending him or kissing his butt?
 
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zeppelin128 said:
I don't know if this is true, so take it with a grain of salt, but there was a lot of chatter last night in a subreddit I follow on Reddit stating Russia has like half a trillion dollars in foreign currency stockpiled. If true, they can take the hit for a while.
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I have no doubt they got their affairs in order prior to launching this campaign. Probably was a lot of what Putin and Xi discussed as the Olympics kicked off. No doubt Russia is well back stopped for a good while.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
There is no way this was typed with a straight face. When it comes to Donald Trump, he has consistently shown that whatever best serves his ego comes first. It's not party over country with Trump, as it is with most politicians these days. It's his enormous but fragile ego over both party and country every time.
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You can mouth that to yourself but you can't demonstrate it. Frankly, I can't think of a propaganda campaign you haven't bought into: Russia collusion - check. Russia bounty - check. Soldiers are losers and suckers - check. Dossier - check. That there was actual basis - hee, hee, HAW! - for the FBI or special counsel investigations - check. Hell, you're still trying to spin that up in 2022.

Unlike you, I can articulate my argument because the objective basis exists.
Is it just magic, sheer coincidence, that the things he ran on happened? Broad-based employment increasing across all race/ethnic, gender lines; unemployment for every racial, ethnic, gender, and income group was at 70 year low, energy independence as we became net exporters, no military misadventure while building the military (as every Repub has to do after Dems leave office), taxes and regulation, immigration control in which MX literally begins paying a portion of our border security with thousands of soldiers at the GT border and Remain in MX. USMCA and trading nations he renegotiated are better pacts.

He harangued NATO to build their defenses - wonder why? - and single-handedly put China on their radar and the world, armed Ukraine, and put the missile defense systems in PO and CZ that O would not and cancelled out of deference to Putin. Democrats yelled "He's trying to destroy NATO!" Trump repeatedly destroyed the narratives of military & foreign policy 'experts' and heads of state. These hysterical 'experts' were proven wrong when the embassy was moved to and Jerusalem recognized as the capitol. Wrong again when WW3 with NK didn't happen. Wrong again while during their cowering over Solemani's righteous kill - "Iran will activate cells! - jihad is coming to America!!" Trump couldn't fart without the left yelling we're going to WW3 with somebody. He correctly removed us from the Iran and Russia agreements.

Instead of being held in thrall by death cultists calling themselves Palestinians, which immobilized the line on regional peace for decades, Trump brokered what should have been a Nobel Peace for the Abraham Accords. Which Biden summarily turned his back on. The experts: Trump's Middle East Peace Deals Proved 'Experts' And Pundits Wrong

Pretty self-serving, huh? The nerve of the guy endowing himself while president by losing half his wealth.

He proved the bureaucracy in DC is exactly what he said, an unelected, insulated body who have usurped power and threaten this country. Democrats and their Praetorian media brought us more than five years of rending the country in two; they don't care and they don't take responsibility. Your 2016 presidential candidate is at the center of that narcissistic corruption and FBI and Mueller knew it in 2016/2017.

To the degree the party hasn't been engulfed by Marxists, they provide cover for the anti-American, anti-Western enemies of this country by running and electing them, and pretending their violence isn't occurring. After three months of it, your 2020 presidential candidate still couldn't make a forceful statement and his VP encouraged the Marxist to not give up. "Don't take the Trump medicine"..."We will now force you to take the Trump medicine". Kill biology and erase women, kill the filibuster, kill the judicial branch, pretend the constitution doesn't exist and ILLEGALLY take federal control of elections, and ILLEGALLY contravene multiple state legislatures in the 2020 elections.

"Walls don't work!" they screeched then encircled the capitol with a wall like a military junta. While opening the wall and flooding the country with immigrants that displace low-skilled native works. Unvaccinated immigrants, even as they hold up a vax fist to Americans. Biden's Ed. Sec worked with NSBA to craft propaganda portraying parents as domestic terrorists which DOJ automatically accepts at face value and assigns to FBI. In conjunction, the admin can "make no law" so they conspire with media and tech to de facto ban speech and blacklist people they want silent, while using them as megaphone for party messaging. These authoritarian cowards do behind the curtain what Trudeau does openly with anti-Western conviction. Pluck the Marxofascist insurrection plank from your own eye, chum.

Absent the pandemic, Trump is likely still president. If the above is Trump putting himself above country, we can use a fk-ton more of that type of narcissism.
 
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BreatheUT said:
Would you rather be a fan of UT or would you rather be a fan of Vandy? They both aren't great. Maybe you should sit out being a fan of both since both are fflawed. Alabama is great. You can wait until they are near and dear to your heart.
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A better comparison would be choosing between Joe Milton or Jarrett Guarantano to lead you to the national title. Sure you can choose one but are you really going very far?
 
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AshG said:
Literally depends on when you ask. This morning didn't take any caffeine to get me out the door. Yesterday I had to drink half the pot to stumbled in to class. It can't make its mind up of its done with me or not, hah.
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Alright, Ash.

You are entitled to the standard VNPF 3 day re-acclimation period. Then it’s f@€king on.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Because he isn’t potato head Biden. This would not be happening if Trump was still in office or if Desantis was already in office. Putin isnt afraid of sleepy Joe. China is about to follow suit with Taiwan. We have no leader in this country
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Most everyone agrees with the intelligence that Putin helped Trump get elected. If he was so scared of him, why would he do that? Trump certainly seemed to make it easier for Putin all through his adminstration-- abandoning the Kurds, siding with him over the CIA, weakening NATO, ignoring bounties on our soldiers, blackmailing Ukraine (to the point of getting impeached over it)
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
When it comes to Russia, Donald Trump is actually quite predictable.

Donald Trump claims DNC itself, not Russians, masterminded hack

Have you forgotten that, as a lame duck President in December of 2020, Donald Trump publicly sided with Vladimir Putin's denial of involvement in the massive cyber attack against US businesses, over the conclusion of his own Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo?

Donald Trump will always respond to acts of Russian aggression by either downplaying it or denying that it actually happened. He will also praise Putin in the process. Why would Vladimir Putin be afraid of someone who is always either defending him or kissing his butt?
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Must be why he waited until Trump was out of office to invade Ukraine.
 
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Its funny how the rabid GOPers, so hell-bent on knee jerk bashing of Biden, have shifted from claiming that Biden was wrong about Putin's plans and even justifying Putin's actions, to now mocking the US military and diversity.

As if we would not notice how terribly wrong you were about literally EVERYTHING having to do with this event.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
That isn't true.

Your assertion that Vladimir Putin "stayed on his side of the border during the Trump years," doesn't account for the fact that Russia was fueling a war against Ukrainian forces in the Donbas region throughout Trump's presidency. The first post to this thread, by @Burhead from November of 2021, discusses that ongoing conflict.

If you remember, Donald Trump's first impeachment involved him withholding $400 million of Congressionally authorized military aid to the Ukraine, designated for their fight against Kremlin-backed rebels. This war has already killed over 13,000 people, even before this latest incursion by Russian forces. Putin is stepping up the level of intrusive aggression, but this conflict predates even Trump's presidency.
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I agree with you here. This is lies at the feet of HW and Clinton more than anyone in this country
 
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lawgator1 said:
Its funny how the rabid GOPers, so hell-bent on knee jerk bashing of Biden, have shifted from claiming that Biden was wrong about Putin's plans and even justifying Putin's actions, to now mocking the US military and diversity.

As if we would not notice how terribly wrong you were about literally EVERYTHING having to do with this event.
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Now do the democrats’ track record of correctness.
 
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JCP201 said:
Most everyone agrees with the intelligence that Putin helped Trump get elected. If he was so scared of him, why would he do that? Trump certainly seemed to make it easier for Putin all through his adminstration-- abandoning the Kurds, siding with him over the CIA, weakening NATO, ignoring bounties on our soldiers, blackmailing Ukraine (to the point of getting impeached over it)
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Few people still think Putin helped Trump get elected.

Putin like everyone else thought it was a certainty Hillary was going to win, Putin wanted to sew more division and discord within the country. The people that brought into the collusion scam allowed him to succeed.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
If Donald Trump is ever publicly critical of Vladimir Putin for this most recent incursion into the Ukraine, then I will admit that the whole Russian collusion investigation was an unjustified waste of time and taxpayer money.

I will also admit that the Mueller probe was a hoax, because Donald Trump couldn't possibly be a Russian asset, if he can denounce Putin for this act of aggression.

... but so far, Donald Trump has only sought to flatter Vladimir Putin with lavish praise for this attack. That is exactly how you would expect a Russian asset to respond to Putin's military aggression.

Donald Trump calling Vladimir Putin's justification for the Ukrainian incursion "genius" and "savvy" is just flat out weird. The Republican Party used to be the party of Ronald Reagan. I feel safe in saying that "the Gipper" wouldn't have handled it the same way.
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Good God you are no better than those "Stolen Election" idiots.
 
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MG1968 said:
Must be why he waited until Trump was out of office to invade Ukraine.
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Russian forces were already in the Ukraine. Why don't you guys understand this? That $400 million that Donald Trump froze in July of 2019, had been designated by Congress to aid Ukrainian forces against attacks from Kremlin-backed rebels.
 
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The 4th Rapid Reaction Brigade of the Ukrainian National Guard is leading the counter attack on Russian VDV at Hostomel Airfield north of Kyiv. They are a NATO trained unit.
 
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