War in Ukraine

[Septic]

I don't think he stops at Donetsk and Luhansk.



Sadly, I think we may very well be seeing the groundwork for WWIII. Putin's land grab attempts are reminiscent of what Hitler did leading into WWII. JMO.

Russia would get curb stomped by NATO forces in a conventional war and it wouldn't even be close. Thier best ally agaisnt the west would be China who, despite common belief wouldn't risk war with NATO.

Can you imagine Xi having to look at his party and have to explain how China's trillions of owed debt just got wiped clean by NATO members?

 

[tvolsfan]

I don't think he stops at Donetsk and Luhansk.



Sadly, I think we may very well be seeing the groundwork for WWIII. Putin's land grab attempts are reminiscent of what Hitler did leading into WWII. JMO.

I hate Ukraine being stolen. We can obviously forget about Belarus. The best we can hope for is that those two countries are enough for Putin. That’s why sanctions and arming Ukraine is important. He’s less likely to launch new wars if Ukraine is a bloody quagmire.

 

[Septic]

I think that depends on Ukraine. It’ll be hard for Ukraine to cede land that was once theirs, but I don’t think many Ukrainians will be eager to face Russia militarily...and I don’t think NATO countries think it’s worth fighting over, jmo.

Agreed. Best outcome is to have Ukraine let go of the two regions and bolster their security before round three kicks off.

I don't think Putin will stop there, sadly.

 

[Weezer]

Depending on Putin's grand plan, I don't think it beyond reason to believe Russia and China could become military allies. Both appear to have eyes on expansion. Again, comparing to WWII, it would be like when Germany and Japan joined forces.

 

[Vol737]

Russia of today does not have the financial power to go some mass expansionist policy...unless they have the blessings of a much more prosperous nation..HMMMM

I’m picking up what you’re putting down. It’s not essential, but it makes it easier for Putin to be THAT bold.

 

[Orangeburst]

And Germany shouldn't have been able to do what they did after being defeated in WWI... but they did.

Germany had the 3rd largest economy in the world in 1940. Not even sure where Russia is but probably a $1T economy

 

[landscapingvol]

I don't think he stops at Donetsk and Luhansk.



Sadly, I think we may very well be seeing the groundwork for WWIII. Putin's land grab attempts are reminiscent of what Hitler did leading into WWII. JMO.

I don’t understand why everyone feels the need to compare it to Hitler’s land grabs. He will more than likely conquer Ukraine but I highly doubt he will then invade all of Eastern and Western Europe which is essentially what he would have to do to equal Hitler’s conquests since he already controls Russia. Russia doesn’t possess the industrial infrastructure to do that or the economic might. He will conquer Ukraine and the World will watch. Western Europe and the British should respond but this is not the US’s war

 

[lawgator1]

Russia would get curb stomped by NATO forces in a conventional war and it wouldn't even be close. Thier best ally agaisnt the west would be China who, despite common belief wouldn't risk war with NATO.

Can you imagine Xi having to look at his party and have to explain how China's trillions of owed debt just got wiped clean by NATO members?

I don't see a war between Russia and NATO forces staying conventional for very long, I'm afraid. Too much pressure to use 'em or lose 'em.

 

[Weezer]

Russia would get curb stomped by NATO forces in a conventional war and it wouldn't even be close. Thier best ally agaisnt the west would be China who, despite common belief wouldn't risk war with NATO.

Can you imagine Xi having to look at his party and have to explain how China's trillions of owed debt just got wiped clean by NATO members?

That's assuming Putin would keep it conventional. I'm not sure that's a safe assumption.

 

[tvolsfan]

Depending on Putin's grand plan, I don't think it beyond reason to believe Russia and China could become military allies. Both appear to have eyes on expansion. Again, comparing to WWII, it would be like when Germany and Japan joined forces.

I still think it makes more sense for China to wait. Putin is running out of time. Ukrainians are clearly done with Russia. The Taiwanese are more comfortable maintaining the status quo indefinitely. Makes sense for China to just continue to build their strength and influence rather than risk it all at once.

 

[landscapingvol]

Germany had the 3rd largest economy in the world in 1940. Not even sure where Russia is but probably a $1T economy

They also had the most well trained and technologically advanced ground force in the World, exceptional military leadership, massive military expenditures.

 

[Orangeburst]

They also had the most well trained and technologically advanced ground force in the World, exceptional military leadership, massive military expenditures.

Which just points to what I am saying. Russia does not have the power to realize the dreams of a USSR with tanks rolling through all of Eastern Europe. Sure..Ukriane...and even that will be some massive blood and treasure.

This has been the fear narrative. Unless they have some type of power support

 

[landscapingvol]

I don't see a war between Russia and NATO forces staying conventional for very long, I'm afraid. Too much pressure to use 'em or lose 'em.

Once a country uses nuclear weapons, life as we know it is over. I understand the US used them against Japan but that was a necessary evil. That unspoken deterrent of total annihilation is what has kept them at bay post WW2, I don’t believe Putin is that stupid

 

[Septic]

Just taking a macro geopolitical view of your beliefs. The CCP has threatened to take Taiwan and yet you whined about tariffs, which had no inflationary impact even on the consumer.

Despite this being either an attempted hijacking or straight up deflection, I'll allow it.

Trump gave away 28 billion dollars to American farmers due to the tariffs. You don't think pouring $28B in to the population at large doesn't dilute the value of your money?

Tariffs may not cause inflation or they may but what you think of my beliefs isn't nearly as important as me telling you what a goof you are.

 

[GroverCleveland]

Agreed. Best outcome is to have Ukraine let go of the two regions and bolster their security before round three kicks off.

I don't think Putin will top there, sadly.

I do not believe he stops either. I think he realizes if he is going to take Ukraine, he needs to do so as quickly as possible because NATO is not going to stop him in the present and before the 2024 US election because I think a Republican President would be less likely to allow it. He knows Biden is an idiot. But once done, there will be no war of liberation.

 

[Septic]

That's assuming Putin would keep it conventional. I'm not sure that's a safe assumption.

I hope you're right, he's not a stupid man - but that doesn't make him any less megalomaniacal.

I'll bet Hitler would have pushed the button on his way out had he had the chance.

 

[landscapingvol]

Which just points to what I am saying. Russia does not have the power to realize the dreams of a USSR with tanks rolling through all of Eastern Europe. Sure..Ukriane...and even that will be some massive blood and treasure.

This has been the fear narrative. Unless they have some type of power support

Even if China is supporting them politically, they aren’t shipping massive quantities of armor and ammunition which is what it would take.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Stop Talking About Ukraine, Republicans!

Amid the media's 24/7 UKRAINE UPDATES, perhaps some enterprising journalist could write an article explaining how our esteem for that country's borders benefits a single American -- other than President Joe Biden.

Our own border has become a transmission belt for the third world, bringing in rapists, murderers, future welfare recipients and left-wing activists. The Democratic Party's brilliant policy of defunding the police and emptying the prisons has, oddly enough, led to a breathtaking surge in violent crime. Our schools have been taken over by lunatics who teach white kids that they are evil -- and probably transsexual. Inflation has hit a 40-year high.

U.S. media: Whither Ukraine?

Midterms must be coming!

In 2020, Democratic data scientist David Shor advised his party: "Talk about the issues [voters] are with us on, and try really hard not to talk about the issues where we disagree. Which, in practice, means not talking about immigration." (Emphasis mine.) After the election, he said that the main way the media's COVID hysteria hurt Donald Trump was by preventing anyone from "talking about Hunter Biden or immigration."

Stop Talking About Ukraine, Republicans!

 

[Orangeburst]

Despite this being either an attempted hijacking or straight up deflection, I'll allow it.

Trump gave away 28 billion dollars to American farmers due to the tariffs. You don't think pouring $28B in to the population at large doesn't dilute the value of your money?

Tariffs may not cause inflation or they may but what you think of my beliefs isn't nearly as important as me telling you what a goof you are.

Hey man..I like being goofy on here. No fun without it. But your sanctimonity knows no bounds.

 

[Vol737]

I don't see a war between Russia and NATO forces staying conventional for very long, I'm afraid. Too much pressure to use 'em or lose 'em.

Idk. Someone made the point earlier on that Putin is one of the wealthiest men on the planet. I think all his calculations hinge on getting away with what he can and avoiding any military defeat or nuclear conflict. He’s a low hanging fruit guy and knows how and when to push the West’s buttons. He doesn’t want to give up his fantastic life, albeit in Russia, for more land than what he knows Europe/NATO are willing to fight for.

 

[Weezer]

I hope you're right, he's not a stupid man - but that doesn't make him any less megalomaniacal.

I'll bet Hitler would have pushed the button on his way out had he had the chance.

That's why I don't think we can count on a "conventional" war. I think Putin would use them if he felt Russia was truly at risk, or even his own hold on power.

 

[Orangeburst]

Even if China is supporting them politically, they aren’t shipping massive quantities of armor and ammunition which is what it would take.

No kidding...not sure how you concluded that.. I am talking soft, financial and economic power

 

[Orangeburst]

Stop Talking About Ukraine, Republicans!

Amid the media's 24/7 UKRAINE UPDATES, perhaps some enterprising journalist could write an article explaining how our esteem for that country's borders benefits a single American -- other than President Joe Biden.

Our own border has become a transmission belt for the third world, bringing in rapists, murderers, future welfare recipients and left-wing activists. The Democratic Party's brilliant policy of defunding the police and emptying the prisons has, oddly enough, led to a breathtaking surge in violent crime. Our schools have been taken over by lunatics who teach white kids that they are evil -- and probably transsexual. Inflation has hit a 40-year high.

U.S. media: Whither Ukraine?

Midterms must be coming!

In 2020, Democratic data scientist David Shor advised his party: "Talk about the issues [voters] are with us on, and try really hard not to talk about the issues where we disagree. Which, in practice, means not talking about immigration." (Emphasis mine.) After the election, he said that the main way the media's COVID hysteria hurt Donald Trump was by preventing anyone from "talking about Hunter Biden or immigration."

Stop Talking About Ukraine, Republicans!

Have you heard some of the Dem talking points? Absolutely disgusting and blaming Trumpers for "having blood on their hands". As far as I am concerned...

 

[lawgator1]

I hope you're right, he's not a stupid man - but that doesn't make him any less megalomaniacal.

I'll bet Hitler would have pushed the button on his way out had he had the chance.

If he gets told we are about to take out his missiles .....

 

[headhunter15]