War in Ukraine

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MontyPython said:
I'm afraid our carriers are extremely vulnerable to hypersonic weapons and/or tactical nukes. Our subs are still by far the greatest deterrent to bad actors. But, force projection via flattops... I wouldn't count on many of them being left if Russia/China pre-emptively attacked us.
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Reasonable understanding of the situation you just provided here.
 
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NEO said:
We either get drug into a potential war war 3 or the world watches us abandon two allies after leaving afghan to ruin and every on the fence ally such as the Philippines and turkey abandons us.

Our port and air base size drastically shrinks and we lose key strategic points. The world then goes of the petro almost immediately and our dollar crashes over night.

We are not set up as an export society so our economy collapses as our purchasing power withers.
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All wars are banker wars.
 
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rekinhavoc said:
Against what country's weapons systems? Are we losing to ourselves or an enemy's equivalent?

The US Navy vs. China: Who Would Win a War At Sea?
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I read that article back in 2021. It is very vague in major parts and mentions our allies constantly.

I am going make a bold prediction here: we ever go to war with China we are on our own unless they have done something to really upset Europe.

I can see Japan with us no matter what but I don’t think many countries get involved.
 
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NEO said:
Think we see a hyper sonic missile used to create an EMP scenario over our major cities rendering us helpless.
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Meh, for some reason, I'm skeptical that would end up being as effective as some people think. On the other hand, a nuke being used to create an EMP disruption would be the unfortunate start of a nuclear exchange. So if there is gonna be a first strike policy by any country, them better make it really count and not gamble on an EMP collapse.
 
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hog88 said:
If threat of invasion was Putin's real concern he would concentrating on his Chinese border.
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Correct, this would be a perfect time for China to invade and take the western 1/3rd of Russia. Not sure if anyone would come to Russia's aid.
 
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MontyPython said:
Wicked dollar system? :rolleyes:

Bro, my god man. Just stop.
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We attacked Iraq because he was about to come off the Petro. It wasn’t about 911 or we would have attacked SA. It was because of oil.

We fight a lot of wars to keep the petro going.

Should have never come off the gold standard but it limits an economies size and makes debt more important.
 
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There are two broke ass crazy countries against the entire free world. our biggest concern is "who takes over?" We can't answer that.
 
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tvolsfan said:
You seemed to indicate the essay equates the intervention in Kosovo with the invasion of Ukraine. If that’s the case, there’s no reason to engage with it.
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Again, if you don't want to read it, don't read it, but you're wasting your time and mine by continuing to guess what its thesis is. Have a good evening, tvolsfan. May God preserve the people of Ukraine.
 
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MontyPython said:
I'm afraid our carriers are extremely vulnerable to hypersonic weapons and/or tactical nukes. Our subs are still by far the greatest deterrent to bad actors. But, force projection via flattops... I wouldn't count on many of them being left if Russia/China pre-emptively attacked us.
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Their hypersonic weapons aren't very accurate. They wouldn't have a good hit rate with carriers.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Meh, for some reason, I'm skeptical that would end up being as effective as some people think. On the other hand, a nuke being used to create an EMP disruption would be the unfortunate start of a nuclear exchange. So if there is gonna be a first strike policy by any country, them better make it really count and not gamble on an EMP collapse.
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Think it a hyper carrier a nuclear load just strong enough to create an emp. Not a full payload.

They hit they ports and the commerce sectors.
 
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NEO said:
I read that article back in 2021. It is very vague in major parts and mentions our allies constantly.

I am going make a bold prediction here: we ever go to war with China we are on our own unless they have done something to really upset Europe.

I can see Japan with us no matter what but I don’t think many countries get involved.
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I agree.
 
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The U.S. alone would crush China in battle. We have better fighters/bombers, better missle defense systems, better pilots more and better gunships, better tanks, and on and on and on. Nothing can touch our FA18 Super Hornet, or the F22 Raptor. Chinese cannot think outside the box either, that doesn't bode well in battle. Besides both China and the U.S. both get killed economically if we go to a full scaled war. Mutually assured economic destruction.
 
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norrislakevol said:
The U.S. alone would crush China in battle. We have better fighters/bombers, better missle defense systems, better pilots more and better gunships, better tanks, and on and on and on. Nothing can touch our FA18 Super Hornet, or the F22 Raptor. Chinese cannot think outside the box either, that doesn't bode well in battle. Besides both China and the U.S. both get killed economically if we go to a full scaled war. Mutually assured economic destruction.
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The bolded is why I don't believe a war with the U.S. and China happens.
 
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NEO said:
Should have never come off the gold standard but it limits an economies size and makes debt more important.
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Which isn't necessarily a bad thing. Instead of depending on constant and expanding growth in order to maintain our debt based system, your economy is limited to the resources available. In other words, you don't end up with a system of infinite money in a world of finite resources. Infinite money chasing after limited resources is inflationary, and it devalues saving. On the other hand, if you have a stable mo ey supply pegged to gold, you can minimize the attenuation caused by inflation. That removes the need of is right now trying to chase 8% yields in order to stay ahead of inflation and maintaining purchasing power. You can save your cash and not need to worry about your purchasing power evaporating away over time. Not saying you would eliminate inflation entirely, but it minimizes it.
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
The bolded is why I don't believe a war with the U.S. and China happens.
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It would damn sure be a last resort. The only way I see it happening is if China ever gets desperate. They are going to fail economically over the next 10 to 20 years and drag the rest of the world down with them....at least for a while. Will they get desperate and start a war during that time? That is the only possibility of full scale war with them that I see.
 
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NEO said:
I read that article back in 2021. It is very vague in major parts and mentions our allies constantly.

I am going make a bold prediction here: we ever go to war with China we are on our own unless they have done something to really upset Europe.

I can see Japan with us no matter what but I don’t think many countries get involved.
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What would India do? Can’t imagine they would like to see a China that prevails successfully from that.
 
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norrislakevol said:
The U.S. alone would crush China in battle. We have better fighters/bombers, better missle defense systems, better pilots more and better gunships, better tanks, and on and on and on. Nothing can touch our FA18 Super Hornet, or the F22 Raptor. Chinese cannot think outside the box either, that doesn't bode well in battle. Besides both China and the U.S. both get killed economically if we go to a full scaled war. Mutually assured economic destruction.
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The J-15 is equal to the FA 18.

J-15 is more aerodynamic but 18 has better systems.

Anyone one here who is saying we route China is not being honest. It would be a blood bath and the victor is so crippled it won’t even matter that they won.

They have been alllowed to steal so much IP in the past few decades that they pretty much are caught up on all fronts and building off our tech.
 
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