War in Ukraine

[NEO]

Dear Xi, if one Taiwanese plane is shot down; if one Taiwanese ship is sunk; if one Chinese military boot touches Taiwanese soil we will turn your military bases, your ports and your major cities into glass.

Well, that's what I'd like to say anyway.

We are equal to China at best in a pacific based war.

 

[rekinhavoc]

We are equal to China at best in a pacific based war.

We have a decided advantage in Carriers and subs.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

If he was smart, he would be building the buffer between China and Russia. United States, UK, and France have no desire to go out and conquer people.

France may not have those ambitions, but the UK and US are the ones staging military assets closer to Russia. The UK and US cannot have Russia in the way of them controlling Eurasia.

 

[MontyPython]

If China uses this to rationalize taking back Taiwan and both Russia and China align together in this and publicly support each other we are F’d.

That would be WWIII.

God help us if that ever happens.

 

[tvolsfan]

The essay has nothing at all to do with Russian claims of genocide in Ukraine. If you don't want to read it, don't read it, but you're doing no one any favors by railing against strawmen.

You seemed to indicate the essay equates the intervention in Kosovo with the invasion of Ukraine. If that’s the case, there’s no reason to engage with it.

 

[05_never_again]

Who is going to invade him? That is the entire point.

A ton of countries are vulnerable. Germany is vulnerable to attacks from France and Poland, Italy is vulnerable to France, Turkey is vulnerable to Iraq and Syria. You don't see these nations bitching about their old Empires, trying to invade their neighbors to make them buffers, etc.

Don't fall for his propaganda. Next he will be saying all Russians should be united into Russia and he needs is Lebensraum. I mean the guy is making arguments similar to Nazi Germany to justify aggression.

You don't see most of those countries bitching about their old empires because they entered into a security arrangement led by the United States after WWII. Turkey actually does bitch about their situation all the time. We bribed up an alliance that allowed Europe to do business with each other (instead of having non-stop wars with each other) while the US handled security. It's why there hasn't been a major war in Europe since 1945, which historically speaking is an unusually long amount of time for that continent to have not had a major war.

I don't think Putin is afraid about NATO actually invading him, but he doesn't want NATO in his sphere of influence. He doesn't want to be a cog in someone else's machine. I'm not saying that he's right or a good person for not wanting to be, I'm just saying that's what he is.

 

[kiddiedoc]

That would be WWIII.

God help us if that ever happens.

Russia + China vs NATO/West is a nightmare scenario.

 

[MontyPython]

Trump says China 'absolutely' going after Taiwan after Russia-Ukraine 'disaster'

Former President Trump said Tuesday that "China’s going to be next" to move aggressively on the world stage after Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops into eastern Ukraine.

During an appearance on "The Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show" at his Mar-a-Lago estate, Trump said Chinese President Xi Jinping will take Russia’s actions against Ukraine as a signal to try and take back Taiwan.

Trump says China 'absolutely' going after Taiwan after Russia-Ukraine 'disaster'

Trump is now the drunk uncle we all just pretend didn't fart at the Thanksgiving table.

 

[tvolsfan]

We are equal to China at best in a pacific based war.

LOL

China’s best bet is hoping we don’t think it’s worth it. The US, combined with our alies in the region, are much stronger.

 

[VolStrom]

We are equal to China at best in a pacific based war.

We'll never see a land based war against a superpower like China or Russia. The only war we will see is a nuclear war when we destroy our civilization.

 

[MontyPython]

We have a decided advantage in Carriers and subs.

I'm afraid our carriers are extremely vulnerable to hypersonic weapons and/or tactical nukes. Our subs are still by far the greatest deterrent to bad actors. But, force projection via flattops... I wouldn't count on many of them being left if Russia/China pre-emptively attacked us.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Our port and air base size drastically shrinks and we lose key strategic points. The world then goes of the petro almost immediately and our dollar crashes over night.

You are the only honest man in the room. You just gave the reason why we are in all of these skirmishes all over the globe. It is to protect the dollar.

However, you should be wanting this wicked dollar system to end because it isn't just a menace to other nations that don't fall in line to our demands, but it is weaponized against us here at home. The sooner we end that system, the better. Then we would need to return to building a real economy based on manufacturing, agriculture, mining minerals/resources etc instead of this bogus FIRE (finance, insurance, real estate) and service economy we have right now.

 

[NEO]

We have a decided advantage in Carriers and subs.

Carriers are getting more and more useless in the future of war as long range missiles are pushing them further out from their targets.

The have been playing war games for years and we lose almost every simulation when it’s in the pacific.

 

[MontyPython]

You are the only honest man in the room. You just gave the reason why we are in all of these skirmishes all over the globe. It is to protect the dollar.

However, you should be wanting this wicked dollar system to end because it isn't just a menace to other nations that don't fall in line to our demands, but it is weaponized against us here at home. The sooner we end that system, the better. Then we would need to return to building a real economy based on manufacturing, agriculture, mining minerals/resources etc instead of this bogus FIRE (finance, insurance, real estate) and service economy we have right now.

Wicked dollar system?

Bro, my god man. Just stop.

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

china has more soldiers than we do, but they are as broke as russia. Let them face the rest of the free world cutting their finances off. give us a reason.

 

[NEO]

We'll never see a land based war against a superpower like China or Russia. The only war we will see is a nuclear war when we destroy our civilization.

Think we see a hyper sonic missile used to create an EMP scenario over our major cities rendering us helpless.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

They could if they want to relive WW2 conditions.

It wouldn't be much different for the Russians. However, they have a more recent history of dealing with that level of austerity than Western Europe. I'm not sure they are really built for that type reduction in standard of living that Russians have suffered through since the 1990s collapse and recent sanctions.

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

You don't understand yet. it's NOT America, it is the entire free world. That's why we we go protect our allies.

 

[rekinhavoc]

Carriers are getting more and more useless in the future of war as long range missiles are pushing them further out from their targets.

The have been playing war games for years and we lose almost every simulation when it’s in the pacific.

Against what country's weapons systems? Are we losing to ourselves or an enemy's equivalent?

The US Navy vs. China: Who Would Win a War At Sea?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

But Siberia where his oil and gas reserves are wouldn't be much of a stretch for China to grab.

That is always a real threat. They really are caught between a rock and a hard place. Which explains their want for buffer areas.

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

If china wants to ********, let them ********. We will cut them off. No Moneys for you.

 

[hog88]

That is always a real threat. They really are caught between a rock and a hard place. Which explains their want for buffer areas.

If threat of invasion was Putin's real concern he would concentrating on his Chinese border.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

That would be WWIII.

God help us if that ever happens.

It wouldn't need to be WWIII.
Why would it be necessary to plunge the world into dark ess over Taiwan?

 

[Orange_Crush]

United States, UK, and France have no desire to go out and conquer people.

Aren't we the drone strike nation?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

LOL

China’s best bet is hoping we don’t think it’s worth it. The US, combined with our alies in the region, are much stronger.

Why can't these allies in the region handle this? India, Australia, Japan and South Korea is a formidable enough collection of countries that should be able to counter China.

That isn't our fight.