War in Ukraine

[05_never_again]

Fintwit should see this.

People that follow financial markets are a smart group of people, but they tend to fall into a trap of believing themselves to be experts about everything that moves (or is thought to move) markets. If the event in question isn't financial or economic (like pandemics or geopolitics), they aren't experts in it.

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

 

[DuckInAPen]

Russia’s move in Ukraine has parallels with US actions in Kosovo - Responsible Statecraft

 

[kiddiedoc]

One minute someone had suggested that we threaten nuclear war, and the next we are worried about a beach house?

 

[Orange_Crush]

One minute someone had suggested that we threaten nuclear war, and the next we are worried about a beach house?

Ain't nobody wanting no glass back yard, or to see their property value evaporate overnigt.

 

[Orangeburst]

Nothing like a big war over oil when we are supposedly weening off oil

 

[McDad]

This would be a lot funnier if we were only mocking ourselves with the meme. Unfortunately, I believe our politicians legitimately believe this about themselves.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Russia’s move in Ukraine has parallels with US actions in Kosovo - Responsible Statecraft

This is a problematic comparison for the neocons and neo-liberals to wrestle with.

And if there is any Slavic group hated more than the Russians, it would be the Serbs. I guess they will never live down that Archduke Ferdinand thing.

 

[TheDirector]

Under Obama - Russia invades Ukraine
Under Trump - Russia Does NOT invade Ukraine
Under Biden(Obama's third term) - Russia invades Ukraine

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Under Obama - Russia invades Ukraine
Under Trump - Russia Does NOT invade Ukraine
Under Biden(Obama's third term) - Russia invades Ukraine

Well it wasn't necessarily because Trump was a stronger leader or because he gives off the aura of being a loose cannon. It was simply because Trump didn't do anything provocative or menacing and tried to maintain decent relations with Putin.

 

[tvolsfan]

Russia’s move in Ukraine has parallels with US actions in Kosovo - Responsible Statecraft

Uh, no ****ing way

 

[McDad]

Well it wasn't necessarily because Trump was a stronger leader or because he gives off the aura of being a loose cannon. It was simply because Trump didn't do anything provocative or menacing and tried to maintain decent relations with Putin.

Hey Ras, what is your position on Russia, Putin, Ukraine. I haven't read the whole thread. Or, if you rather, a specific question I would like to get your thoughts on:

Do Ukranians have the right to govern themselves and exist as Ukranians separate and distinct from Russia?

 

[DuckInAPen]

Uh, no ****ing way

You're welcome to make your case as to why the author is wrong. Many people at the time of the Kosovo War (including Knoxville's congressional representative Jimmy Duncan) and again at the time of Kosovo's recognition as an independent state understood that dangerous precedent was being set. This isn't excuse-making after the fact.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Do Ukranians have the right to govern themselves and exist as Ukranians separate and distinct from Russia?

Sure they do.

 

[McDad]

Sure they do.

You do not agree with Putin that Ukraine doesn't exist because the land and the people on the land are Russian?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

You do not agree with Putin that Ukraine doesn't exist because the land and the people on the land are Russian?

Not necessarily. They have the right to self determination just like anyone else. He is correct about them sharing a common history, however.

 

[volinbham]

worth another post I reckon

 

[McDad]

Not necessarily. They have the right to self determination just like anyone else. He is correct about them sharing a common history, however.

Do you hold the concept of their common history and PUtin's perspective in higher priority than Ukrainian's right to self determination?

 

[volbound1700]

This is a problematic comparison for the neocons and neo-liberals to wrestle with.

And if there is any Slavic group hated more than the Russians, it would be the Serbs. I guess they will never live down that Archduke Ferdinand thing.

Actually, I kind of agree with you. Kosovo was stolen from the Serbs in the 1500s by the Ottomans and the Albanians were settled and given the lands because they were Muslims just like the Ottomans. Nazi Germany also favored Croatians and Bosnians over the Serbs and allowed brutality/ethnic genocide of the Serbians.

Issue is that the Serbs started looking for revenge in the modern world when these kind of behaviors are no longer tolerated. However, study of history would have shown that perhaps the Albanian Kosovars should be forced back into Albanian instead of getting their own country from Serbian lands.

 

[volinbham]

If you are going to read your comments off a teleprompter at least be able to read.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Do you hold the concept of their common history and PUtin's perspective in higher priority than Ukrainian's right to self determination?

No, I do not.

 

[tvolsfan]

You're welcome to make your case as to why the author is wrong. Many people at the time of the Kosovo War (including Knoxville's congressional representative Jimmy Duncan) and again at the time of Kosovo's recognition as an independent state understood that dangerous precedent was being set. This isn't excuse-making after the fact.

What was the dangerous precedent? It’s amazing the Serbian/Yugoslav government pretended they were the victims.

 

[McDad]

No, I do not.

I appreciate the dialogue very much.

What do you think comes of the Russia Ukraine situation long term>

 

[bamawriter]

This was actually sent out by the US State Department employees that just abandoned their embassy.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I appreciate the dialogue very much.

What do you think comes of the Russia Ukraine situation long term>

Worst case scenario would be that Ukraine becomes a more failed and corrupt state and all or sections of it get consumed by Russia from the east and Poland from the west.