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engineerVOL said:
I was waaaaaay over Kodi Burns early in the year, but Tillman developed nicely. I don’t know how much of that was his coaching. I’ll credit him with it though, we never saw it under previous staffs and he made a lot of tough catches.
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Under previous staff he wasn’t given the opportunity to be fair. The potential was always there.
 
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SoilVol said:
Yeah I think its just a different perspective thing and us putting weight on different things. I don't think its a big deal, just a difference of opinion. Also, I like your commentary on most things as well so I don't want any of this to get personal. I'll try to explain my perspective a little better.

I feel Gard had no authority or right to hold onto/grab him at all. Grabbing him in of itself isn't necessarily a cardinal sin, but it contributed to the escalation. Even Howard noted that him grabbing him is what ultimately pushed him over the top.

And I'm sure Gard knew that might happen because Howard is a well-known douchecanoe and hothead - but I admit that's conjecture. I think @MoCo_Vol said it well in his post.

"It takes two people to keep an argument going" is conflict resolution 101. It takes 1 to stop an argument with disengagement and self control. This is where I'm thinking about this from: The product (an argument that escalated to violence) was the result of at least 2 parties continuing an argument. The presence of the product lends credence to what went into the reaction. If Gard just slaps his hand and walks by without entertaining Howard then it moves on. But he chose to grab him and step in front of him - which triggered the hot head. For that I personally think he bears some blame - not anywhere near the extent of Howard, but he should not be grabbing anyone from an opposing team.

Rick Barnes wouldn't grab ahold of Penny Hardaway after the Vols kicked their butts and try to tell him something after Penny mouths off. He knows better than that. In fact, I think Barnes and Calipari didn't even shake hands after the last game and they're good friends! They're wise, and I'm sure they talked later about things that happened during the game they took issue with because they're professionals.
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Yeah end of the day you can try to put all the blame on the biggest hothead in a situation (Howard in this case) but that's just never fair. Lots of things could have prevented that escalation before it even began.

1. Howard doesn't go through the line, knowing he's pissed already he could remove himself and just explain in the post-game interview "I was already upset and removed myself to cool-down"
2. Gard could have left it alone and just kept it to a "good game" move to the next guy. If I grab someone's arm and they say "let go" or "**** off" and I then shove their arm and try to step in front of them to block them walking away what am I accomplishing? It sure as hell isn't deescalating anything.
3. Howard could have just stayed quiet and let Gard say his piece on the matter. But as I pointed out that's not who Howard is or has ever been.
 
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cHiZzLeVOL said:
I agree with this statement. The biggest thing I was saying and I wasn’t “knocking” Velus like I said he is a good all around player, is that losing Kodi Burns does not hurt.
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I'm not sure I'd say that...at least not yet. I don't think Kodi Burns is an elite WR coach, I think this offense just allowed our WRs to take advantage of single coverage or no coverage more and numbers flourished.

Now, the question is if we get a WR coach in here that is more geared toward this style of offense could it be even better? I sure hope so. Burns obviously favors a more traditional style of passing game since he's taking a job in the NFL. Mostly pro style.

I think we can upgrade but I'm not sure if the change will hurt the squad or not just yet. Gotta make the right hire, cause a bad hire could also see us going the wrong direction as well.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Yeah end of the day you can try to put all the blame on the biggest hothead in a situation (Howard in this case) but that's just never fair. Lots of things could have prevented that escalation before it even began.

1. Howard doesn't go through the line, knowing he's pissed already he could remove himself and just explain in the post-game interview "I was already upset and removed myself to cool-down"
2. Gard could have left it alone and just kept it to a "good game" move to the next guy. If I grab someone's arm and they say "let go" or "**** off" and I then shove their arm and try to step in front of them to block them walking away what am I accomplishing? It sure as hell isn't deescalating anything.
3. Howard could have just stayed quiet and let Gard say his piece on the matter. But as I pointed out that's not who Howard is or has ever been.
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I watched it again, and Howard directly says, "I will remember that $hit" right as Gard is giving him a handshake. There is a chance that Gard may never think about it or say anything if Howard had avoided it as well. Then, Howard gets upset when Gard stops him to explain.
 
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Volsdeep4 said:
This shows how well AD White has stoped all leaks. We heard rumors of them looking in other directions but no one said anything about a job interview or anything. Kinda nice for news to break through “reporters”
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ESPN will get the scoops from TN in most cases now that they hired Thamel. Thamel is Danny go to guy for National Media.
 
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VolGee4 said:
I watched it again, and Howard directly says, "I will remember that $hit" right as Gard is giving him a handshake. There is a chance that Gard may never think about it or say anything if Howard had avoided it as well. Then, Howard gets upset when Gard stops him to explain.
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Right so you can add
4. Gard could let Howard say his piece and move on

I have no clue what either one said during the exchange. Frankly doesn't matter either. Either one of them could have just kept their mouth shut and the whole thing never happens. Personally, to me at least if you're the home coach and just got the big win I'd be more willing to let **** slide.

No clue how you know what Howard says (he had on a mask).

Edit: Just saw a full clip, he pulled the mask down and said it then put his mask back up to walk on past. Gard then tried to stop him to "explain" things and it went from there it looks like. Eh, I think both should be punished for the escalation each suspended a game or two then you add-on for Howard slapping an assistant.
 
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Nashvegas31 said:
Why would we hire Hardesty as WR coach? I suspect this will be an attractive role if we hire outside. We have a solid internal candidate as well in Pope who is highly regarded as a up and coming riser in coaching
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This place will implode if Heupel hires someone other than a big time WR coach :):):)
 
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VolGee4 said:
I watched it again, and Howard directly says, "I will remember that $hit" right as Gard is giving him a handshake. There is a chance that Gard may never think about it or say anything if Howard had avoided it as well. Then, Howard gets upset when Gard stops him to explain.
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Howard definitely ignited the exchange with his words and deserves all of the criticism he will get. He’s an emotional hot head who acted like a child. Gard was also emotional in this as well though and should bare some blame, albeit a very small amount. Both men had a chance to stop the act from happening (Howard) or going further (Gard), and both men failed. I don’t think what Gard did is worthy of a suspension or probably even a fine, but he should probably do some reflecting on how to handle that whole ideal better as well. I’m sure he would tell us all the same too.
 
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Nash_Vol97 said:
Howard definitely ignited the exchange with his words and deserves all of the criticism he will get. He’s an emotional hot head who acted like a child. Gard was also emotional in this as well though and should bare some blame, albeit a very small amount. Both men had a chance to stop the act from happening (Howard) or going further (Gard), and both men failed. I don’t think what Gard did is worthy of a suspension or probably even a fine, but he should probably do some reflecting on how to handle that whole ideal better as well. I’m sure he would tell us all the same too.
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Thing is both sides will punish players for their involvement, and they should cause punches were thrown. To me though as the head coach you're the leader so if you're going to turn around and tell one of your guys "you're not playing this week" because they got involved in a situation you're responsible for then you also gotta shoulder some damn blame.

Don't preach accountability and lack it yourself.
 
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Enki_Amenra said:
I bet a current coach moves to WR coach and someone is hired for a different position.
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Unless you think Mack moves from RB to WR, I don't see a scenario where it makes sense. It's not like Golesh or Hazle are going to change position groups.

Additionally, the only Offensive analyst to fill the role would be Pope, which I'm not sure is a bad idea, but I think I'd prefer a more proven SEC recruiter.
 
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Ledzepvol said:
Just saw the Juwan Howard deal on replay, apparently he can't control his temper, and no matter what his excuse is, he should either be suspended for a long period of time and fined a large sum of money, or if that happened at my place of employment, he would be terminated for workplace violence, no exceptions. No matter what his excuse, even if it was something racial, in my opinion he should be terminated. He is a grown man and supposed to be setting the appropriate example for his team, and he completely and utterly failed in doing so. Workplace violence cannot be tolerated, and remember this is his job... Termination of employment is certainly warranted and in my opinion, he will be fortunate to maintain his position, but if he does only receive a suspension, it should be a long and lengthy suspension, plus a fine... No excuse for that type of behavior, period.
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Woody Hayes and Bobby Knight would have laughed at the idea of being penalized. And for worse.

Luckily, I'd bet there will be consequences to the other day's actions. As there should be these days.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Thing is both sides will punish players for their involvement, and they should cause punches were thrown. To me though as the head coach you're the leader so if you're going to turn around and tell one of your guys "you're not playing this week" because they got involved in a situation you're responsible for then you also gotta shoulder some damn blame.

Don't preach accountability and lack it yourself.
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There were some wild punches thrown by the players afterwards, that’s for sure. Most people are talking about the coaches possible suspensions but there will be several players suspended as well.
 
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