War in Ukraine

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Burhead said:
If he was doing this as a bluff to win concessions he lost pretty badly.
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Who said it was a bluff? They never said that they were doing anything other than military exercises. That has been their entire statement for the past few weeks. Meanwhile, the Biden Administration has thrown our dates that Putin will attack. February 16th, February 20th, February 21st... as each day passes, more of the US credibility is eroded.

Don't get mad at me. Get mad at the people pumping this nonsense about an imminent war.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Far fetched? If nothing happens, who looks like the crazy person here?
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Putin. He looks like he backed down over crippling sanctions. And make no mistake the sanctions will be economically painful as hell. And you will complain about why does the west get to apply sanctions on your boy.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I appreciate a good conspiracy theory as much as the next guy. But this one seems far fetched, even for you.
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I really wonder how Blinken, Biden and the UK can claim victory when they have been blocked out of previous meetings with Germany and France? They have been outsiders looking in up to this point.
 
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DuckInAPen said:
A missed opportunity, if true.
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Going back to this talk, I posted on up-thread, he talked a bit about the choice the west had when the USSR broke up.

We could have built Russia up with investment as it did western Europe, post-WWII. Or it could largely ignore it.

Rightly or not, they perceived us as treating them as chumps, we lied about not expanding NATO, etc.

I don't at all agree with what Putin has done the last 15 years. But coming from his background, I can see how if that's the way he views the world, his behavior makes some sense.

 
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VolStrom said:
I'm thinking at this point that Biden has nothing left but to offer up a preemptive nuclear attack on Russia. Ukraine's democracy is at stake, and we've already sent Kamala there to ease tensions.
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Imagine a country in which the current president has shut down opposition media and indicted his two chief rivals for the presidency on charges of treason. Imagine that one of those rivals is under house arrest and that all his property has been decreed forfeit. Imagine that the other (who has so far avoided arrest) is the current president's predecessor, who himself came to power in the aftermath of a coup that ended with his predecessor fleeing the country. Imagine that one of this country's major administrative units recently had as its governor another country's former president, a man who had fled the homeland he had served as president and whose term as governor in this his adopted country was interrupted by a period of statelessness, his citizenship having been revoked both by his own homeland and by the country he now served as governor. Imagine being told that this country is a beacon of democracy in its region and that America must come to its aid in its dispute with the nuclear power with which it shares a common culture and hundreds of years of common governance . . .
 
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DuckInAPen said:
Imagine a country in which the current president has shut down opposition media and indicted his two chief rivals for the presidency on charges of treason. Imagine that one of those rivals is under house arrest and that all his property has been decreed forfeit.(Viktor Medvedchuk) Imagine that the other (who has so far avoided arrest) is the current president's predecessor, (Petro Poreshenko) who himself came to power in the aftermath of a coup that ended with his predecessor fleeing the country. Imagine that one of this country's major administrative units had as its governor another country's former president, a man who had fled the homeland he had served as president and whose term as governor in his adopted country was interrupted by a period of statelessness when his citizenship was revoked both by his own homeland and by the country he now served as governor. (Mikheil Saakashvili) Imagine being told that this country is a beacon of democracy in its region and that America must come to its aid in its dispute with the nuclear power with which it shares a common culture and hundreds of years of common governance . . .
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You said a mouthful... WOW.

And you didn't even mention Hunter or Joe Biden.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Now they are just trolling... LOL

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You know what, it does seem like the further this drags on, that TPTB are indeed heartbroken that Russia hasn't attacked.
Lukashenko was trolling, but he may actually be correct. Even in this forum, there are some heartbroken puppies right now... both the neocons and the Biden lovers.

Incredible...
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You know what, it does seem like the further this drags on, that TPTB are indeed heartbroken that Russia hasn't attacked.
Lukashenko was trolling, but he may actually be correct. Even in this forum, there are some heartbroken puppies right now... both the neocons and the Biden lovers.

Incredible...
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What's incredible is you pretending like it's ok for your man crush to drop 160,000 troops on their boarder. It's clownish
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You know what, it does seem like the further this drags on, that TPTB are indeed heartbroken that Russia hasn't attacked.
Lukashenko was trolling, but he may actually be correct. Even in this forum, there are some heartbroken puppies right now... both the neocons and the Biden lovers.

Incredible...
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I'd be very happy with no war. It would be the most destructive conflict since the end of the Second World War. The Russian military is not a precision military it will be brute strength, they will do to Ukraine what they did to Grozny in the Chechen wars. However facts on the ground are point to one thing and that is invasion. Until he pulls his forces back and that is verified nothing remains off the table. Now you also have him keeping troops in Belarus, for what reason?
 
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Burhead said:
I'd be very happy with no war. It would be the most destructive conflict since the end of the Second World War. The Russian military is not a precision military it will be brute strength, they will do to Ukraine what they did to Grozny in the Chechen wars. However facts on the ground are point to one thing and that is invasion. Until he pulls his forces back and that is verified nothing remains off the table. Now you also have him keeping troops in Belarus, for what reason?
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Lukashenko and Putin are cordial with each other. You don't need to worry about Belarus. And Russia is allowed to finish their military training within their own border or in Belarus.
 
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So........ Biden is willing to meet with Putin. Biden gets the praise and Putin gonna get paid. Do they have someone from the CW writing the script, because this is lame.
 
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Nobody believes the US... This woman makes too much sense.

And she drops a truth bomb at the end. Basically saying that after the Berlin Wall fell and Reunification, The French army left, he British army left, and the Russian army left. It is past time for the US army to leave and take our nukes with us.

 
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