Simple rule

[Iam4utalways]

Not a chance. Too much liability in encouraging players to get up when they’re injured. Plus, even the guys in the best shape still have cramps. And they’re debilitating. I agree with OP that the only solution is make them sit for remainder of the series.

Limiting subs during an injury timeout to only the one that is injured. Don’t let the team meet with coaches while the other team can.

Let both team’s trainers be involved/observer on field evaluation of injuries bring in 3rd party staff to help too. When the player is hurt the more help the better. If it’s a fake out, throw the flag and disqualify the player and HC and 15 yards.

If it’s determined to be a fake out after the game thru watching the film(A coach gives the signal and a player goes down.) the penalty is suspension on the player and HC.

The issue is fake outs not actual injuries. If a player gets banged up he shouldn’t be punished for that. If a player is faking, it’s time to drop the hammer.

 

[MR_VOL]

This rule I think applies more to UT over the last 5 years than any other but is important for every school for all times. Player calls hurt. Out for that series period.

Any player can call hurt at any time for any reason but they are out that series period done deal. Do I need to go further? Rule seems simple and self explanatory in reasoning to me.

I like this rule but would add two more steps:

[1] the "hurt" player must remain out of the "hurt series" unless HIS COACH calls a timeout and then [and only then] can he come back into the "hurt series." This allows for a player return but at a cost. If the coach does not have a time out then the "hurt player" will simply remain out of the "hurt series." All timeouts will now be used strategically.

[2] each player is only allowed 2 [maybe 3] "I am hurt" per game. If a player calls "I am hurt" once more than allowed, he then will be "Medically Ejected" from this particular game [but will be eligible to start/play the next game]. If a player is "Medically Ejected," the opposing team will receive 15 yards [or half the distance to the goal] and an automatic First Down.

 

[OrangeTsar]

Ref checks on injured players and judges it to be fake, throws a flag 15 yards and the player is out for the rest of the game and one more.

Being tired or catching a leg cramp is not injured it’s called being out of shape or at least not in good enough shape.

There could be a new sub rule too. If player A is running off the field player B can sub in without flag as long as player B is outside the numbers until a player A is out of bounds.

As inept as our officials have proven themselves to be in determining something as simple as forward progress, do we REALLY trust them to make a medical diagnosis on the field of play? Good gosh people, what could POSSIBLY go wrong

 

[clarencepeabody]

Limiting subs during an injury timeout to only the one that is injured. Don’t let the team meet with coaches while the other team can.

Let both team’s trainers be involved/observer on field evaluation of injuries bring in 3rd party staff to help too. When the player is hurt the more help the better. If it’s a fake out, throw the flag and disqualify the player and HC and 15 yards.

If it’s determined to be a fake out after the game thru watching the film(A coach gives the signal and a player goes down.) the penalty is suspension on the player and HC.

The issue is fake outs not actual injuries. If a player gets banged up he shouldn’t be punished for that. If a player is faking, it’s time to drop the hammer.

Yes, no, no, yes. Your first suggestion is a given. But still, I think the whole problem goes away if they sit for the series. Or most of it does…

 

[Sara Clark]

This rule I think applies more to UT over the last 5 years than any other but is important for every school for all times. Player calls hurt. Out for that series period.

Any player can call hurt at any time for any reason but they are out that series period done deal. Do I need to go further? Rule seems simple and self explanatory in reasoning to me.

How do you address the issue when a coach puts in a player who otherwise wouldn't play, puts him in just to get an injury....Normally you have to hit someone in the pocket book, then it stops.

 

[Iam4utalways]

As inept as our officials have proven themselves to be in determining something as simple as forward progress, do we REALLY trust them to make a medical diagnosis on the field of play? Good gosh people, what could POSSIBLY go wrong

Add a Dr to the officials that can observe/help if needed or throw a flag.

The only reason the NCAA is looking into a way to stop the flops is because there are blatant examples the signal coming from the sidelines and then a flop.

 

[Iam4utalways]

Yes, no, no, yes. Your first suggestion is a given. But still, I think the whole problem goes away if they sit for the series. Or most of it does…

Flop after 2nd down, get the timeout needed to be ready for 3rd down, get the stop, then back in for the next series.

The flopper is needing a few plays off or they wouldn’t be flopping.

 

[clarencepeabody]

Flop after 2nd down, get the timeout needed to be ready for 3rd down, get the stop, then back in for the next series.

The flopper is needing a few plays off or they wouldn’t be flopping.

Maybe those timeouts aren’t free. Or at least not all of them. First two injuries of the half, you lose two timeouts

 

[MontyPython]

There should be and never will be any sort of judging of whether or not a person is injured. The logical and reasonable action to take at this point is to simply disqualify "injured" defensive players for the remainder of the possession by the offense.

Problem solved.

 

[TopDog4TN]

Tough sh-t!!! What's fair for the goose is fair for the gander. This just makes it a bigger priority to have "the next man" up ready to go. All the above suggested changes are NOT simple and god forbid refs and doctors being more involved at the at the moment of play. Things are too slow now.

lol no Thanks I prefer seeing the best players on the field for both teams, how many awesome gutsy performances would we have missed in football history with this rule in place. Lots of very iconic moments of players possibly being out for the game then limping back onto the field to push their team to victory. Hard pass on your silly goose and gander.

 

[TopDog4TN]

Limit the rule to defense only. Offensive players won't be faking injuries.

again, sounds good but you're not thinking of the scenario where the offense could be out of timeouts and want a freebie as well. Have to implement rules to both sides of play.

 

[Mr French]

After reading some of these draconian solutions I'm glad yall aren't on the rules committee. Yall act like our HC and offensive philosophy will never change. Eventually those medical ejections plus a flag will come back and bite us. Probably on a guy with half his leg hanging off, then the idiots bitching and moaning when the hankey comes out were the ones proposing this crap. If a player flops, unsportsmanlike conduct 15 yards and a non negotiable all night date with Mrs Mullen and Dan, if a coach is caught signaling a player down, 2 game showcause. Punish the coaches

 

[Iam4utalways]

Maybe those timeouts aren’t free. Or at least not all of them. First two injuries of the half, you lose two timeouts

It’s not real injuries that need to be punished, it’s the fake ones.

Make it reviewable like targeting. Have an official Dr part of the evaluation process on the field to judge just like so many other calls that are being made. With the cameras that are already in place used to “study” the game there’s so much evidence that all they have to do is watch the tape and make their calls based off that. We are talking about the players that are injured we are talking about the floppers hiding behind the injuries of other trying to get the benefit of the doubt(And a free TO.) due to how wrong it would be to flag a guy that just went down with a career ending injury. Talking about insult to injury.

Watch last year’s film and keep a closer eyes on the worst offenders.

Or don’t throw a flag for a guy running off the field, just keep playing as if he was off the field as long as he didn’t interfere with the play.

 

[fishheadspin]

This rule I think applies more to UT over the last 5 years than any other but is important for every school for all times. Player calls hurt. Out for that series period.

Any player can call hurt at any time for any reason but they are out that series period done deal. Do I need to go further? Rule seems simple and self explanatory in reasoning to me.

Or team can use a timeout. Player can return after his team calls a timeout.

 

[Titan&Volfan4life]

However the rule is made concerning the player(s) involved there's 1 other thing that MUST be addressed...

The ONLY way flopping will be stopped by any rules is that something VERY serious absolutely MUST happen to the coaches!!!

Serious fines, kicked out of that game and maybe more games, something.

Unless something serious happens to the coaches then a scumbag cheater like laMe and now his cheating brother is on his staff too,, nothing is going to change, the cheating coaches will just find another way around the rules.

Cheating coaches like laMe MUST be made to pay a high price that will have serious effects on them and on their Team.

VFL...GBO!!!

 

[wmcovol]

This seems like the simple fix until you think about it a bit more.

Final drive of the game....under 2 minutes....Hooker gets the wind knocked out of him and has to go to the sideline to catch his breath for a play or 2, but now if this rule is in place Hooker doesn't get a chance to grit it out and go back in to make the game winning drive and we have to ride with number 2.

This is why I support a certain number of legit injury timeouts. Coaches will not waste those with fake injuries cause once they’re out of those, they lose their standard TOs or be subject to a 5 yd penalty. Coaches abused the current rule so now they have to deal with the correction.

 

[kcvols1]

You cannot have refs making medical judgments as to whether a player is faking or not, they are not trained to judge the severity of an injury.

The only real solution is to have a player sit out the rest of the drive or eventually be excused from the game if it happens too frequently.

I would add that you should only be allowed to sub for the goldbrick, but not every winded wide body on the line.

 

[Ratvol]

A cramp isn't really an injury, right? Oftentimes said to be lack of hydration. So, if a player goes down with a cramp, he can't come back in until he drinks a gallon of Gatorade. First I was going to say a gallon of colonoscopy prep, but, that would be mean.

Good ole MoviPrep cocktail hour. This is how I learned to never trust a fart.

Go VOLS

 

[TennesseeTarheel]

Good ole MoviPrep cocktail hour. This is how I learned to never trust a fart.

Go VOLS

Good thing to know!

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

Refs throwing flags might be the only way to put a stop to faking injuries, at least improve the acting.

What cause cramps if it not the shape your in? They must be catching different cramps than I do. I usually walk them off rather than laying down and waiting for a massage.

Cramps are usually because of a loss of electrolytes during physical exertion. You can be in excellent physical shape and get cramps in a game.

 

[Iam4utalways]

Cramps are usually because of a loss of electrolytes during physical exertion. You can be in excellent physical shape and get cramps in a game.

That makes me feel better. I figured mine were because I’m out of shape.

Flop after every other 2nd down. Problem solved. I don’t know the flop to injury ratio, but all this flopping doesn’t help our offense.

Try to find an honest Dr to help evaluate the situation. It’s the unfamiliar pain that gets your attention. My first kidney stone was an ER visit, the next 3 we’re not as severe and I recognize the symptoms.


It’s low class to boo an injured player. It’s low class to flop and maybe the NCAA can get this right too and end this baloney.

Keep it simple After every 1st down you can sub, if you want to, 15 seconds and then the game and play clock restarts. It’s in the defense to ask for it, the offense it’s business as usual. Players running off the field should not get flagged.

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

This seems like the simple fix until you think about it a bit more.

Final drive of the game....under 2 minutes....Hooker gets the wind knocked out of him and has to go to the sideline to catch his breath for a play or 2, but now if this rule is in place Hooker doesn't get a chance to grit it out and go back in to make the game winning drive and we have to ride with number 2.

Had not really given the solution much thought but off the cuff I would go with...............

First injury each half is on the house. After that......

The team with injuries can only sub the injured player, for ease of administration each player must sit out current and next series. A risk that could be as few as 2 downs, BUT could be a bunch of plays. Finite is not always a good thing. Teams can return one player at will each game with a time out declared for that purpose like they do for 10 second runoff, better use it wisely. The team minus the injured player must remain in the huddle between the hashmarks and no staff of any kind can visit unless they take a timeout. Exception would be given for offense going into punt formation regardless of down which allows both teams to react normally and essentially eliminate any tactical advantage from the injury.

Bet I left some brainwaves out somewhere.

 

[Jax_Vol]

Had not really given the solution much thought but off the cuff I would go with...............

First injury each half is on the house. After that......

The team with injuries can only sub the injured player, for ease of administration each player must sit out current and next series. A risk that could be as few as 2 downs, BUT could be a bunch of plays. Finite is not always a good thing. Teams can return one player at will each game with a time out declared for that purpose, better use it wisely. The team minus the injured player must remain in the huddle between the hashmarks and no staff of any kind can visit unless they take a timeout. Exception would be given for offense going into punt formation regardless of down which allows both teams to react normally and essentially eliminate any tactical advantage from the injury.

Bet I left some brainwaves out somewhere.

Write up something like this:

• allows play to continue until the ball is out of play if a player is only slightly injured
• stops play if a player is seriously injured and ensures that the player is removed from the field of play. An injured player may not be treated on the field of play and may only re-enter after play has restarted; if the ball is in play, re-entry must be from the touchline but if the ball is out of play, it may be from any boundary line. Exceptions to the requirement to leave the field of play are only when:
  • a goalkeeper is injured
  • a goalkeeper and an outfield player have collided and need attention
  • players from the same team have collided and need attention
  • a severe injury has occurred
  • a player is injured as the result of a physical offence for which the opponent is cautioned or sent off (e.g. reckless or serious foul challenge), if the assessment/treatment is completed quickly
  • a penalty kick has been awarded and the injured player will be the kicker
• ensures that any player bleeding leaves the field of play. The player may only re-enter on receiving a signal from the referee, who must be satisfied that the bleeding has stopped and there is no blood on the equipment
• if the referee has authorised the doctors and /or stretcher bearers to enter the field of play, the player must leave on a stretcher or on foot. A player who does not comply, must be cautioned for unsporting behaviour

 

[Iam4utalways]

Had not really given the solution much thought but off the cuff I would go with...............

First injury each half is on the house. After that......

The team with injuries can only sub the injured player, for ease of administration each player must sit out current and next series. A risk that could be as few as 2 downs, BUT could be a bunch of plays. Finite is not always a good thing. Teams can return one player at will each game with a time out declared for that purpose, better use it wisely. The team minus the injured player must remain in the huddle between the hashmarks and no staff of any kind can visit unless they take a timeout. Exception would be given for offense going into punt formation regardless of down which allows both teams to react normally and essentially eliminate any tactical advantage from the injury.

Bet I left some brainwaves out somewhere.

Yes but what if it’s an obvious flop? All that you said just regulates how “injuries” are treated. If a player is hurt, take care of him. It’s poor form to flop. It’s poor form to boo injured players. Floppers might should expect a yellow golf ball and yellow condiments, it’s really a good match when think about it.

Coaching players to flop is a coward’s move.

Just stop being a coward and take the beating you have earned.

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

A requested simplified and formatted Injury rule.


The following actions will be required by a team with on field injuries when game action is interrupted starting with the second occurrence for each team in each half.

o Team(s) with injured player(s) must huddle up between the hashmarks ten yards from the injured players towards their own end line.

o No coaches or support staff can approach the huddle(s) of teams with injuries unless an extended dead ball period for player assistance is declared by officials and both sidelines informed.

o Only injured player(s) may be substituted for and all injured player(s) must leave the field and their helmets held by medical staff until eligible for return. Normal substitution rules for the balance of the players return when the ball is declared ready for play.

o Injured players must miss the completion of the current and one additional possession unless a declared injury return timeout with a single player number is announced before completion of their restricted period. A change of possession play or a scoring play counts as completion of the current possession.

o Team A must comply with huddle requirements but can eliminate player restrictions when the next play is an attempted or executed scrimmage kick from a scrimmage kick formation.