Rick Barnes discussion (merged)

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vols35 said:
So you're telling me that Barnes's decision was presented to the legal department and they gave him a green light? Coaches can't pay people (staff or players) out of pocket. I don't for a second believe that he didn't know that.
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The decision wasn't green lighted because the University reported it to the NCAA. I'm sure Barnes knows he can't pay players, and he now knows he can't write personal checks to his own coaches. He oopsed and learned.

And Barnes had a good assistant, which is why he paid him.
 
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vols35 said:
So you're telling me that Barnes's decision was presented to the legal department and they gave him a green light? Coaches can't pay people (staff or players) out of pocket. I don't for a second believe that he didn't know that.

In fact I'll take it one step further and assert that having good assistants is as important to success as having good players.
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Like Chuck Person ?
 
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vols35 said:
Actually, after doing a little digging, you're wrong. Barnes has been caught violating NCAA regulations. Where else has he potentially slid around the regulations but hasn't been caught? As stated ad nauseum my opinion is they all cheat when they can get away with it.

Vols' Barnes commits minor NCAA infraction
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Has Barnes been caught lying to the NCAA and instructing others to lie? What Pearl was caught doing at UT would not have been significant if he had not lied about it and tried to get others to lie too. He demonstrated poor judgment and irresponsible behavior by putting the program at risk to attempt to minimize his mistake at a cookout.
 
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VolsFan-TX said:
Has Barnes been caught lying to the NCAA and instructing others to lie? What Pearl was caught doing at UT would not have been significant if he had not lied about it and tried to get others to lie too. He demonstrated poor judgment and irresponsible behavior by putting the program at risk to attempt to minimize his mistake at a cookout.
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I don't disagree with that. I firmly believe that all of the top coaches bend rules in one way or another. It's no different than any other high dollar, high stakes job. It is how it is. I was just mentioning that Barnes has also violated NCAA rules when someone mentioned they were completely clean and only guilty of having young men dribble basketballs on a court. I'm not suggesting that all infractions are of equal weight or concern.

Ultimately, I would love it for Barnes to succeed and bring a title home. Let's not misunderstand that point. My opinion is that he's not the man to do it, and if you disagree, I understand. We all have our opinions.
 
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whobethis16 said:
Again, you can't distinguish an "oops, that was a mistake" and blatant cheating. That's the problem. What Barnes did was an oops. Pearl cheated. Getting a parking ticket for running over on a meter is an oops. Killing someone is deliberate. Both against the law, but one was a mistake.
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How do you really know it was an oops?
 
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Big time vol said:
How do you really know it was an oops?
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Paying those assistants is really going to get great players…like what’s his motive to break NCAA rules knowingly here? Also, I’ve never heard of anyone else ever breaking that rule.

Like if he paid players, sure, but I just don’t see how paying assistants from your salary is really giving you a competitive advantage and why someone would knowingly break the rule there and have UT self report it.
 
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Big time vol said:
I was a Vol fan when you were still pooping yellow.
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If you’re a Vol fan, then why all the constant negativity? Every post is a dig. Why not make your point once or twice and move along with general discussion? I get that you’re anti-Barnes, and so does everyone else. Lighten up and enjoy life a little.
 
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Lankykong said:
Paying those assistants is really going to get great players…like what’s his motive to break NCAA rules knowingly here? Also, I’ve never heard of anyone else ever breaking that rule.

Like if he paid players, sure, but I just don’t see how paying assistants from your salary is really giving you a competitive advantage and why someone would knowingly break the rule there and have UT self report it.
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The competitive advantage is keeping your assistant. Otherwise, they may offer their services to another program. Historically, assistants provide great value in many areas such as coaching (on and off the court) and recruiting, to name a couple. Something to consider.....
 
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vols35 said:
Actually, after doing a little digging, you're wrong. Barnes has been caught violating NCAA regulations. Where else has he potentially slid around the regulations but hasn't been caught? As stated ad nauseum my opinion is they all cheat when they can get away with it.

Vols' Barnes commits minor NCAA infraction
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There’s not a college coach alive who hasn’t committed a minor infraction. If you are involved in college sports it isn’t possible not to. I love Bruce Pearl for his contribution to building this program. But there is no question that he and Cal are on a different level when it comes to stretching the rules. It is blatantly naive to think otherwise. Do you honestly think BP didn’t know what his assistants were doing with the Nike mess? Of course he did. Just like Sean Miller and Will Wade. They knew too.
 
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Delmar said:
There’s not a college coach alive who hasn’t committed a minor infraction. If you are involved in college sports it isn’t possible not to. I love Bruce Pearl for his contribution to building this program. But there is no question that he and Cal are on a different level when it comes to stretching the rules. It is blatantly naive to think otherwise. Do you honestly think BP didn’t know what his assistants were doing with the Nike mess? Of course he did. Just like Sean Miller and Will Wade. They knew too.
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I'm positive they knew. I'm also positive that Barnes knew paying out of pocket to keep an assistant was a violation. They all break the rules when they think they can get away with it, and it has always been that way.
 
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vols35 said:
I'm positive they knew. I'm also positive that Barnes knew paying out of pocket to keep an assistant was a violation. They all break the rules when they think they can get away with it, and it has always been that way.
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Absolutely. But get back to me when Barnes gets a 3 year show cause or one of his assistants goes to jail. Then he’ll be in the same area code as Bruce when it comes to shady. Doubt that’s going to happen though. And again I love BP but a saint he ain’t. And I’m sure it won’t stop Louisville from pursuing him. That program has always operated in the gray areas.
 
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tnbelle98 said:
did I say anything about him not being allowed to be interested in the premiere job in basketball? That answer would be no.
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You called him a bad Christian for "leveraging". He didn't manipulate, didn't issue an ultimatum. He spoke to them, and the AD did what needed to be done to keep him. You made it personal, and showed your ass while doing so.
 
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vols35 said:
I'm positive they knew. I'm also positive that Barnes knew paying out of pocket to keep an assistant was a violation. They all break the rules when they think they can get away with it, and it has always been that way.
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They knew, but "weren't personally involved"? So they're just stupid and willing?
 

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cardvolfan said:
If you’re a Vol fan, then why all the constant negativity? Every post is a dig. Why not make your point once or twice and move along with general discussion? I get that you’re anti-Barnes, and so does everyone else. Lighten up and enjoy life a little.
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It's hard being content when the university hires a twenty win a year coach and seems content with that when the coach we fired is eating our lunch pretty much every year. I expect more than that.
 
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Big time vol said:
And you know this to be fact?
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1. UT reported it and he didn't lie
2. The NCAA has been sniffing around for a decade due to your lover boy, Tyndall, and Pruitt and found nothing.

Do you have ANYTHING besides words that say otherwise about Barnes? And I mean things like a show-cause, postseason bans, NCAA reports that show more than a "minor violation". If you do, by all means share the link.

The only thing you've shown is you live in the past with a selective memory and can't get over the ex that took your virginity despite her being toxic, but Pearl is gone. Really need to learn to move on.
 
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Big time vol said:
It's hard being content when the university hires a twenty win a year coach and seems content with that when the coach we fired is eating our lunch pretty much every year. I expect more than that.
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Nobody is holding a gun to your head, you can leave. As I've said multiple times, you clearly are happier as a Pearl fan than a Vol.
 
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vols35 said:
I want to see us succeed, but the bottom line is that Barnes can't get it done. Never has and never will. There's a reason he's not in Texas anymore.

I don't know that I would ever want Pearl back, but he's a proven winner. The smoke from Louisville further validates that point, as does his performance at Auburn. Regarding "cheating", all of them are dirty, some just don't get caught.
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How many tournament wins does Texas have post Barnes?

Edit: You don’t think they’d take our 3 wins to their 0?
 
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HippieVol33 said:
How many tournament wins does Texas have post Barnes?

Edit: You don’t think they’d take our 3 wins to their 0?
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We're talking about Barnes and his inability to win major tournaments, how exactly is Texas and their performance without Barnes even relevant?
 
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whobethis16 said:
They knew, but "weren't personally involved"? So they're just stupid and willing?
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Let me explain it to you in explicit detail so that maybe you can understand. My personal opinion is that all of the top tier coaches are guilty of cheating, and they are all aware of what goes on in their programs. The official narrative is that they did not know and the FBI found no evidence of personal involvement. (Official means it is considered to be fact for official purposes which may not correspond to my personal opinion.) Perhaps it's a difficult concept for you to comprehend, but it is possible for both to be true (e.g. my personal opinion not aligning with the official narrative.)
 
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