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One thing I've noticed about a lot of us is once a player is signed and on team we tend to think if he isn't All American out of the gate he must suck.
We tend to forget about the very ones we were obsessing about a year before. Wasn't long ago no one gave a thought to Tilman.

I get it, I wanted Neyor too but we have several players who can make the jump to elite. Lots say Hyatt and Calloway have the dropsies but I remember Josh Palmer's freshman year, he too dropped pass after pass. He turned out OK, so it's way too early to pass judgment on some already here.
 
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Weezer said:
Should college coaches be able to cut scholarship players? I started thinking about this because of the current changes. If players are going to get financial compensation for playing, should they be subject to being cut if they fail to perform? I get that they're not technically being paid to play, they're being paid for their name, image, and likeness, but if we're being honest, they're getting paid to play. So if that's the case, should they be subject to the expectations of a job where failure to perform can lead to being let go? I can see arguments for both sides. Not all scholarship kids are going to benefit from the NIL, but, at the same time, the players themselves have really brought NIL into the picture, so should there be consequences to its addition? The whole thing is a can of worms, and there absolutely should be uniform rules and regulations to the process to create a fair playing field, but with the NCAA losing its teeth on the subject (thanks to SCOTUS), who has the authority to create and enforce those rules?
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Simple to me, but nobody will do it. Tell kids that want to play in college and get all the benefits that it brings, that they have to agree to be amateurs, to sign their rights to profit away until they decide to go pro. Then tell the ones that wanna be professional football players to go on and good luck.

Force the NFL to build their own minor league and them and all the mercs can **** off.

Schools that want to be professional minor leagues for the NFL can form their own league and build a draft and salary cap with enforcable contracts and no scholarship educations for the idiots that don't want or value one.

Then schools that really want student athlete amateurs can form their own conferences and enforce the conditions that the players have agreed to.

I would vote for the University of Tennessee to be amateur in that situation...I f'n hate pro sports.
 
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Weezer said:
With everything that's happened, I expected us to struggle in recruiting. As far as the ESP is concerned, we didn't struggle as much as expected, and I'm happy for that, but we still struggled. Clearly, simply stating we are "struggling with recruiting" triggers some people. It isn't an indictment on the coaches as many of the "whys" are beyond their control, but it doesn't change that we are struggling with recruiting. This staff targets players they want and they pursue. We've struck out three times in the portal thus far. That is the very definition of struggling. Again, that does not mean I'm saying Heupel is a bad coach or that he needs to be fired. I don't believe that at all. But surely you, and others, agree that our recruiting needs to get better. We're being honest, right? In order to continue moving forward, recruiting has to improve. And I honestly believe every coach on this staff would agree with that statement which is why I fail to understand why some posters act so offended by such a simple truth. I have to believe this is a lingering effect of BVS, that stating simple truths can cause so many such pain.
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Are we struggling when compared to a lot of other programs? Sure we are

Are we struggling based on my expectations for this 1st full class? Absolutely not

This is how I view it and believe it's the divide between the way you and I look at it.

Nothing has happened with this recruiting class that I see as some big shocker. Sure there have been some disappointments like Neyor and Verse but there's also been some victories like West and Pearce. GBO!!!!!!
 
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Christian Lowe said:
I’m tired of this myth that Saban is complaining because he’s scared of what’s coming. He’s complained about the pace of play and the transfer portal as much as he’s complained about NIL.

Who does those things better than anybody else in the country now? Saban.

It’s a warning, not a complaint.
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My thoughts exactly.

He's the devil and easy to criticize and mock. But I don't think any of these changes worry him for himself, rather they worry him for the game itself. He knows he's going to adjust, get his, and keep on winning, maybe better than before.

I don't have to like him, but I've got to respect him.
 
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Weezer said:
Should college coaches be able to cut scholarship players? I started thinking about this because of the current changes. If players are going to get financial compensation for playing, should they be subject to being cut if they fail to perform? I get that they're not technically being paid to play, they're being paid for their name, image, and likeness, but if we're being honest, they're getting paid to play. So if that's the case, should they be subject to the expectations of a job where failure to perform can lead to being let go? I can see arguments for both sides. Not all scholarship kids are going to benefit from the NIL, but, at the same time, the players themselves have really brought NIL into the picture, so should there be consequences to its addition? The whole thing is a can of worms, and there absolutely should be uniform rules and regulations to the process to create a fair playing field, but with the NCAA losing its teeth on the subject (thanks to SCOTUS), who has the authority to create and enforce those rules?
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They are already being cut
 
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barrylee said:
One thing I've noticed about a lot of us is once a player is signed and on team we tend to think if he isn't All American out of the gate he must suck.
We tend to forget about the very ones we were obsessing about a year before. Wasn't long ago no one gave a thought to Tilman.

I get it, I wanted Neyor too but we have several players who can make the jump to elite. Lots say Hyatt and Calloway have the dropsies but I remember Josh Palmer's freshman year, he too dropped pass after pass. He turned out OK, so it's way too early to pass judgment on some already here.
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The rub, as I see it, on Neyor is no one would have batted an eye had we not pursued a WR from the portal. Most posters agree that wasn't being viewed as one of our bigger weaknesses. Yet the coaches chose to go after a WR with, if you figure we only have 1-2 open scholarships currently, a very precious scholarship. I trust the coaches. So if they felt the need to go after a WR, I have to assume they see it as an important need. I was extremely confident in one of our other WRs stepping into that WR2 role until the coaches went after Neyor. Then I started wondering why WR was viewed as one of our big positions of need, over the defense? I'm not passing judgement over any WR on the roster, but I am trusting the judgement of the coaches, who felt it important to go get a WR.
 
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More changes at Auburn
Auburn defensive coordinator Derek Mason is set to leave the program and linebackers coach/assistant head coach Jeff Schmedding is set to be promoted to defensive coordinator, sources tell On3. Auburn is also set to hire Jimmy Brumbaugh as defensive line coach, sources tell On3. Brumbaugh, a former Auburn All-SEC player, worked at Oregon last season after previously working at places like Tennessee, Colorado, Maryland and Kentucky.

-On3
 
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Johnny Majors' Ghost said:
More changes at Auburn
Auburn defensive coordinator Derek Mason is set to leave the program and linebackers coach/assistant head coach Jeff Schmedding is set to be promoted to defensive coordinator, sources tell On3. Auburn is also set to hire Jimmy Brumbaugh as defensive line coach, sources tell On3. Brumbaugh, a former Auburn All-SEC player, worked at Oregon last season after previously working at places like Tennessee, Colorado, Maryland and Kentucky.

-On3
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cool.
 
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