President Joe Biden - Kamala Harris Administration

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headhunter15 said:
We are to believe that the 2020 election was of the highest integrity but 2022 and beyond will be illegitimate?
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Sure. The elections after 2022 won't be free and open like the carnival barker "come one come all" 2020 covid special was. That was "special" in the creepy liberal sense. For the rest of us it was "special" in the way that "isn't he special" or "bless his heart" are.
 
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Majors said:
Seems polling is skewed by what is being reported and to how long the cycle goes. It has been said that 10% of those who voted for Biden would not have have voted for him had the Hunter Biden information been reported by the news prior to the election and not after.
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That's the really bad thing about election season vs election day. Important stuff tends to come out as election day nears; people who vote early don't get to factor it in ... as if it might make a difference anyway.
 
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McDad said:
Agreed. Counterpoint, I routinely hear American refineries are working at capacity (high 90s %). So, how does more oil to overburdened refineries increase supply on the world market?
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Not all of it would have been refined here but our biggest facilities to load/unload tankers are in the gulf.
 
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W.TN.Orange Blood said:
Clearly, Biden & his lunatic speaking VP, are way over their heads in finding ways to govern America in a common sense better way than the former president of bringing Unity & Healing to all. They thought the media would always be kind & go along w/whatever they say & do. Now after a year of continued failures, even the liberal media is shocked by their incompetence.
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We've had years of the debate about whether so and so is qualified to be president, and it usually ends in with if the person hasn't been a hardcore politician - preferably long term, too - then he's not qualified. I sure hope we are over that now, but I'm sure we aren't. All a few stints in politics does is make people corrupt, jaded, opportunistic, wealthy, susceptible to bribery because of their past collusion, etc ... and absolutely out of touch with the people and the country. The thing we desperately need to do is nail a bunch of politicians on insider trading and bury their azzes ... of course, that's not violent crime, so ...
 
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hog88 said:
Not all of it would have been refined here but our biggest facilities to load/unload tankers are in the gulf.
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I think we have to concede an American president has very little to do with the impact on a global commodity which requires global production, refinement, distribution, and sales to the consumer outside of taxes, and regulation.

Gas prices are high. But I do not think Biden is at fault. Just as Trump wasn't responsible for lowered prices.
 
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McDad said:
I think we have to concede an American president has very little to do with the impact on a global commodity which requires global production, refinement, distribution, and sales to the consumer outside of taxes, and regulation.

Gas prices are high. But I do not think Biden is at fault. Just as Trump wasn't responsible for lowered prices.
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A US president can have a tremendous impact on global commodity prices. He can effect prices with the stroke of a pen, the effects might be felt in the short term but he can absolutely impact the commodity markets.
 
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My moment was similar to yours. I looked at McCain/Palin and got angry. I voted for the ticket and immediately regretted it. "Hate myself" is too strong but I did not respect myself in the morning.
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The GOP has developed a very bad habit of not finding someone respectable enough to bring to the dance. In the old days the GOP candidates might not have been all that good, but they were for the most part respectable. McCain and Romney were the worst of the worst and Bush jr wasn't far behind. I've despised Trump my whole life, but at least he wasn't a damn politician, and he actually did some good things that no current politician would have done. Without Trump early and covid later (to be fair), I can't see the country awakening to the problems of globalism and realizing the enemy is to our west not our east.
 
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The GOP has developed a very bad habit of not finding someone respectable enough to bring to the dance. In the old days the GOP candidates might not have been all that good, but they were for the most part respectable. McCain and Romney were the worst of the worst and Bush jr wasn't far behind. I've despised Trump my whole life, but at least he wasn't a damn politician, and he actually did some good things that no current politician would have done. Without Trump early and covid later (to be fair), I can't see the country awakening to the problems of globalism and realizing the enemy is to our west not our east.
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The enemy is within.
 
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McDad said:
I think we have to concede an American president has very little to do with the impact on a global commodity which requires global production, refinement, distribution, and sales to the consumer outside of taxes, and regulation.

Gas prices are high. But I do not think Biden is at fault. Just as Trump wasn't responsible for lowered prices.
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I get what you are saying, and agree to an extent.

But do you believe Biden cancelling Keystone was beneficial, detrimental, or incidental to gas prices in the US?
 
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hog88 said:
Oil is a global commodity so the more oil on the market the better for prices whether it stays here or is exported. Keystone was needed to efficiently get the oil to the refineries and onto the world market.
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There's a problem right there. I understand the point about global commodities, and as McDad says the Keystone pipeline was supposedly more for moving Canadian oil to international rather than US markets. Either way, whether our domestic or international market, it hurts the supply side of the supply and demand curve. It also sent a virulent anti energy message - the anti fossil derived fuel message - the fuel we are absolutely unprepared to manage without (cue Europe's need for NG because of stupid green policy). The real point that virtually everybody misses is why in the hell should we penalize our nation, industry, and economy by paying international prices for a domestic commodity. We keep forgetting the great WW2 lesson - we could be the Allies' answer simply because we had the resources and isolation to manufacture the tools needed to defeat the other guys.

We have one major strength - we are a large country with an abundance of natural resources and talent to be the best; and yet, we choose stupidly to play the global game. Energy cost is as regressive as any tax to an economy ... maybe worse, and we choose to penalize ourselves. Stupid is as stupid does.
 
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Wireless1 said:
And don't forget California had a Governor issuing mandates that imposed significant restrictions that both POTUS could have overruled.
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Apparently somewhere along the line Kalifornia no longer has to abide by the Interstate Commerce Act. Could just be that the dems in control and wimpy republicans just choose not to make the brat behave.
 
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85SugarVol said:
I get what you are saying, and agree to an extent.

But do you believe Biden cancelling Keystone was beneficial, detrimental, or incidental to gas prices in the US?
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That's a fair question.
I say incidental. Could be shown detrimental with the right analysis. Absolutely say in no way was it beneficial.
 
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McDad said:
That's a fair question.
I say incidental. Could be shown detrimental with the right analysis. Absolutely say in no way was it beneficial.
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I certainly don’t see any evidence that cancelling Keystone reduced gas prices for US consumers.

But did cancelling Keystone increase gas prices for US consumers? Difficult. But I would say it is certainly plausible, some would even argue probable.

I’d say somewhere between incidental and detrimental.
 
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85SugarVol said:
I certainly don’t see any evidence that cancelling Keystone reduced gas prices for US consumers.

But did cancelling Keystone increase gas prices for US consumers? Difficult. But I would say it is certainly plausible, some would even argue probable.

I’d say somewhere between incidental and detrimental.
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Wasn't there a bunch of fracking also stopped? If you were energy dependent for the first time in 50 years and then had to start buying oil being shipped here from other countries it would have to make the price go up.
 
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85SugarVol said:
I certainly don’t see any evidence that cancelling Keystone reduced gas prices for US consumers.

But did cancelling Keystone increase gas prices for US consumers? Difficult. But I would say it is certainly plausible, some would even argue probable.

I’d say somewhere between incidental and detrimental.
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The challenge with assessing the increase is determining whether any increase was opportunistic, speculative, or due to supply.
 
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