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#115,126
LouderVol said:
And yet you are actively arguing for a business to do the same thing you are complaining about Desantis doing.

It's not about freedom. It's about control.
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I've never argued they should. However a business doing it offers the individual more freedom than a govt mandate either way
 
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utvolpj said:
I've never argued they should. However a business doing it offers the individual more freedom than a govt mandate either way
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But it's still a restriction. The businesses in the case of Florida have the same freedom employees have elsewhere. Comply or find somewhere else to work. They are free to move their company if they dont like the requirements of the state they are working in.
 
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#115,128
LouderVol said:
But it's still a restriction. The businesses in the case of Florida have the same freedom employees have elsewhere. Comply or find somewhere else to work. They are free to move their company if they dont like the requirements of the state they are working in.
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Are you saying that moving a business to another state is the same LOE as switching jobs?
 
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Rishvol said:
Damn straight and unlike you when you were in school I haven't taken a day off during this "pandemic". I've worked my butt off to make sure the dumb decisions by the state and local school boards affect the students as little as possible. I hope you aren't a parent because if you are I know for a fact that your kids would be one of the little pos that are constantly disrupting class because their parents are too busy to teach them how to act in a public setting
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Nice rant.
 
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LouderVol said:
So it's not about your freedom as a business owner, it's about what you can legally do with your power.


Yeahhhhhhhh. It's not freedom you are chasing here. Its power just like the fed.
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You’re smarter than this, or maybe your not I don’t know. In either case the arguments that an employer cannot dictate what employees do in their off time is asinine. You guys sound like petulant children.

I choose to maintain the drug free workplace designation because it saves on our WC insurance. Without that I wouldn’t give a flying **** if my non DOT employees were smoking outside of work as long as they showed up sober.
 
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#115,134
hog88 said:
You’re smarter than this, or maybe your not I don’t know. In either case the arguments that an employer cannot dictate what employees do in their off time is asinine. You guys sound like petulant children.

I choose to maintain the drug free workplace designation because it saves on our WC insurance. Without that I wouldn’t give a flying **** if my non DOT employees were smoking outside of work as long as they showed up sober.
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Again you are pointing to what you have the power to do. That's doesnt mean you arent restricting freedoms. Just like Desantis has the power to make certain rules for businesses in his state but he is restricting freedom as well.

You are both the same. You both want/can restrict freedom. You are upset that your ability to restrict freedom in this case is being restricted.
 
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This pandemic and thread has shifted my views on business rights and whether they are equal to individual or employee rights. There should be a hierarchy and the rights of the individual trumps the employer. By Florida saying employers cannot mandate the vaccine they are reinforcing the rights of the individual. Whereas the Fed is removing the right of the individual by coercing the rights of the employer. I have no problem with what Florida has done.
 
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Weezy said:
This pandemic and thread has shifted my views on business rights and whether they are equal to individual or employee rights. There should be a hierarchy and the rights of the individual trumps the employer. By Florida saying employers cannot mandate the vaccine they are reinforcing the rights of the individual. Whereas the Fed is removing the right of the individual by coercing the rights of the employer. I have no problem with what Florida has done.
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It all should have brought into question a lot. As I've said before, the end result of having a corporatist state is virtually no different than an authoritarian government state. The paths look the same. Allowing businesses to dictate much of anything outside of work hours is cancerous overreach and needs to be destroyed.
 
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Weezy said:
This pandemic and thread has shifted my views on business rights and whether they are equal to individual or employee rights. There should be a hierarchy and the rights of the individual trumps the employer. By Florida saying employers cannot mandate the vaccine they are reinforcing the rights of the individual. Whereas the Fed is removing the right of the individual by coercing the rights of the employer. I have no problem with what Florida has done.
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There is a difference between a business mandating something of their employees and the feds doing it. If a company wants to do that and you don't like it you give them the bird and walk out. When the feds make an employer do something I can't just up and leave this country.
 
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Weezy said:
This pandemic and thread has shifted my views on business rights and whether they are equal to individual or employee rights. There should be a hierarchy and the rights of the individual trumps the employer.
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I disagree with the notion of a hierarchy of rights between people.
 
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ButchPlz said:
It all should have brought into question a lot. As I've said before, the end result of having a corporatist state is virtually no different than an authoritarian government state. The paths look the same. Allowing businesses to dictate much of anything outside of work hours is cancerous overreach and needs to be destroyed.
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You have a very interesting opinion. How can a coporatist state be virtually no different than authoritarian government when the CS lacks the removal of freedoms and liberties to enforce?
 
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LouderVol said:
Again you are pointing to what you have the power to do. That's doesnt mean you arent restricting freedoms. Just like Desantis has the power to make certain rules for businesses in his state but he is restricting freedom as well.

You are both the same. You both want/can restrict freedom. You are upset that your ability to restrict freedom in this case is being restricted.
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No it’s nowhere close to the same since I have no power to enforce my power outside of our business And I can’t force any of our suppliers, customers or vendors to have the same requirements. People are free to choose top be employees or not and abide by my rules so I’m in no way restricting anyones freedom. I can also decide to change my rules at anytime if I see the need, DeSantis took away that freedom from business owners.
 
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Rishvol said:
Damn straight and unlike you when you were in school I haven't taken a day off during this "pandemic". I've worked my butt off to make sure the dumb decisions by the state and local school boards affect the students as little as possible. I hope you aren't a parent because if you are I know for a fact that your kids would be one of the little pos that are constantly disrupting class because their parents are too busy to teach them how to act in a public setting
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Sounds like you have an anger issue
 
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#115,145
Weezy said:
This pandemic and thread has shifted my views on business rights and whether they are equal to individual or employee rights. There should be a hierarchy and the rights of the individual trumps the employer. By Florida saying employers cannot mandate the vaccine they are reinforcing the rights of the individual. Whereas the Fed is removing the right of the individual by coercing the rights of the employer. I have no problem with what Florida has done.
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So you should have the right to show up anytime you choose, wear whatever you choose, say whatever you want to say, be drunk, high or set your own pay?
 
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ButchPlz said:
It all should have brought into question a lot. As I've said before, the end result of having a corporatist state is virtually no different than an authoritarian government state. The paths look the same. Allowing businesses to dictate much of anything outside of work hours is cancerous overreach and needs to be destroyed.
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Great idea to use government to destroy employer authority instead of market forces.
 
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McDad said:
You have a very interesting opinion. How can a coporatist state be virtually no different than authoritarian government when the CS lacks the removal of freedoms and liberties to enforce?
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Where do you think a lot of the regulations, rules, etc. that exist come from? Take the meat industry for example- why are there so few small producers left?

I suppose what I see is that in the case of a "corporatist" state what I mean is a combination of regulatory capture/legalized bribery putting up barriers to market entry, and concentration of industries into mega-conglomerates that all put out the same rules on employees, etc. that effectively do the same job as government. It's easy to say businesses don't have the power to do things, but that ignores the reality of what is going on. The market is getting less and less free, in a lot of ways because of massive corporate interests.
 
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hog88 said:
Great idea to use government to destroy employer authority instead of market forces.
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The same "market forces" that have led to the concentration of nearly every industry that exists into the hands of a handful of companies?

You live in a bubble.
 
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ButchPlz said:
The same "market forces" that have led to the concentration of nearly every industry that exists into the hands of a handful of companies?

You live in a bubble.
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No I don’t I see exactly what you are describing and agree that monopolies are bad.
 
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