War in Ukraine

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#776
Rasputin_Vol said:
I'm fully aware of that. You need to tell these other guys the long history of Russia and Ukraine...
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So then you’re probably familiar with the Northern Wars. Russia has been at this for centuries.

This has nothing to do with the United States. Putin is just another in a long line.
 
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#777
Rasputin_Vol said:
That was done in 2014... The people they had in place in 2015 were cosigning the arrangement.

Yanukovych certainly wouldn't have agreed to this.
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I see. No one actually wanted to know how to kill Russians because the likelihood of Russians ever invading is about as likely as winning the lottery…right?
 
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#778
Rasputin_Vol said:
And I've told you before why I precisely do that. because we hold ourselves up as the example to the rest of the world. I'm simply holding us to that standard. We can do far better than what we are doing right now. We have issues right here in America that are not being addressed. Let Europe and Russia resolve their issues while we stay home and fix our own house.
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Bull ****. You use a double standard because you’re a hypocrite it’s that simple. And don’t feed me that BS anymore
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The tsar and his family were killed over 100 years ago. They lived through 70+ years of hell and then had to deal with the ramifications of the collapse in the 1990s and the inept leadership of Boris Yeltsin. They've been through enough and seen enough to know that communism is not the way. The Russian Orthodox church is back to being a major institution and Putin is trying to address the huge demographics issue that was caused by WWII and destructive communist policies that wiped away tens of millions of their people.
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Putin is just a misunderstood benevolent despot trying to liberate the Ukrainian people of the burden of their sovereignty amirite? 🤡
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Bull ****. You use a double standard because you’re a hypocrite it’s that simple. And don’t feed me that BS anymore
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I realize it is a double standard. I haven't backed away from that. We need to live up to a higher standard. And, we need to take care of our own mess here at home.
 
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#783
NorthDallas40 said:
Thanks for admitting you’re a hypocrite. Doesn’t really matter much you wear it openly.
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When it comes to this, I don't think I've said anything but me holding the US to a different standard than anyone else. Call it hypocrisy if you want. I'll wear that. But in return, you need to acknowledge your own hypocrisy for your fearmongering and demonization of Putin, yet say nothing about KSA or any of the other murderers that we have supported and sponsored over the years.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The tsar and his family were killed over 100 years ago. They lived through 70+ years of hell and then had to deal with the ramifications of the collapse in the 1990s and the inept leadership of Boris Yeltsin. They've been through enough and seen enough to know that communism is not the way. The Russian Orthodox church is back to being a major institution and Putin is trying to address the huge demographics issue that was caused by WWII and destructive communist policies that wiped away tens of millions of their people.
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Not arguing with you on that, just saying that in hind sight all the commies should have been butchered by the Russian people. The world is still paying for their inaction. This is a great history lesson for us all. If commies want to take over, just kill them without mercy and everyone will be the happier.
 
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#785
Rasputin_Vol said:
When it comes to this, I don't think I've said anything but me holding the US to a different standard than anyone else. Call it hypocrisy if you want. I'll wear that. But in return, you need to acknowledge your own hypocrisy for your fearmongering and demonization of Putin, yet say nothing about KSA or any of the other murderers that we have supported and sponsored over the years.
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It’s blatant hypocrisy you try to hide behind your “higher standard” BS while making continual excuses for Putin and even Xi most of the time. If you were consistent you would acknowledge Ukraine sovereignty has been violated and will be violated again by Putin and he’s wrong in the aggression however we shouldn’t put our people at risk. That is the majority view here.

But you can’t. You cannot stop explaining how Putin’s overt aggression is justified while claiming some moral high ground to hold us to a different standard. It’s hypocrisy and utter unadulterated bull **** plain and simple

Oh and on your whataboutism I’ve called out Putin, the house of Saud, and most of the other bad actors in the sandbox. It’s easy when you’re consistent. Try it sometime.
 
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#786
Russian troops arriving in Belarus for "exercises" with Belarus next month, Ukraine is being surrounded.
 
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#787
NorthDallas40 said:
It’s blatant hypocrisy you try to hide behind your “higher standard” BS while making continual excuses for Putin and even Xi most of the time. If you were consistent you would acknowledge Ukraine sovereignty has been violated and will be violated again by Putin and he’s wrong in the aggression however we shouldn’t put our people at risk. That is the majority view here.

But you can’t. You cannot stop explaining how Putin’s overt aggression is justified while claiming some moral high ground to hold us to a different standard. It’s hypocrisy and utter unadulterated bull **** plain and simple

Oh and on your whataboutism I’ve called out Putin, the house of Saud, and most of the other bad actors in the sandbox. It’s easy when you’re consistent. Try it sometime.
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I'm not hiding behind anything. I just told you it is a hypocritical stance. I'm holding the US to a different standard than anyone else. We need to do better if we are going to posture ourselves as the paragon of justice and freedom.
 
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#789
Rasputin_Vol said:
Wait, but you don't see Russia being surrounded with all of these moves by NATO? The Baltic States? Ukraine?
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NATO hasn't been aggressive towards Russia, Russia HAS been aggressive to its neighbors though so no I don't. Since the fall of the USSR, Russia has supported and propped up separatist republics in Moldova, Georgia, and now Ukraine so tell me this isn't a pattern of behavior?
 
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#793
Canada has sent a group of their special forces to Ukraine to provide assistance to Ukraine but also to start preparing if they need to evac the Canadian embassy staff in case of invasion.
 
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#794
Burhead said:
Canada has sent a group of their special forces to Ukraine to provide assistance to Ukraine but also to start preparing if they need to evac the Canadian embassy staff in case of invasion.
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Biden will get arounf to protecting and evacuating Americans next year or so. Currently he's focused on who: counts the vote, Counts the Votes, WHO COUNTS THE VOTES.
 
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Burhead said:
Canada has sent a group of their special forces to Ukraine to provide assistance to Ukraine but also to start preparing if they need to evac the Canadian embassy staff in case of invasion.
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Why on earth would you not go ahead and do that now?
 
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Biden as President, tanked polls, all the while forces mobilize in Europe...Frekin fantastic.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Why on earth would you not go ahead and do that now?
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I don't know but depending how far and how fast the Russians move Kyiv could be on the firing line pretty quick, especially if the push in from Belarus. Western embassy staffs could be in trouble quick.
 
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Burhead said:
I don't know but depending how far and how fast the Russians move Kyiv could be on the firing line pretty quick, especially if the push in from Belarus. Western embassy staffs could be in trouble quick.
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I’d pull them out now. Don’t be effing around with people’s safety, again.

Would send a pretty clear message too.
 
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