President Joe Biden - Kamala Harris Administration

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C-south said:
You would think at least 80 million alleged voters would be somewhat interested in listening to the bumbling idiot and realizing how stupid they are.
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Thus that's why he doesn't have them. He would be more exposed a fraud. They believe they can get away with this for 4 years. They bank on American stupidity. If I was a democrat I would be offended.
 
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norrislakevol said:
I definitely agree with your last paragraph. I am very concerned about the future of science and the lack of truth demanding for society in general. This is something straight out of 1984. If some government bureaucrat tells people that X no longer equals X, now it equals Y a lot of people believe it seemingly and the cursed new media eats it up and repeats it over and over. Mask usage is a great example of this. We had 30 years worth of peer reviewed studies that told us ordinary cloth masks and surgical masks do not protect against viruses. Everyone knew this. At the beginning of the pandemic we were told once again that masks aren't effective against viruses. Then suddenly with a matter of a couple of weeks they changed course. They had no data to go on. They simply lied to us and soooooo many people ate it up and were given a false sense of security, and no one in charge seemed to care. No one in charge seems to care about really finding the origins of the virus.....although they already know and just don't want to start a real conflict with China.
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I tend to disagree with you somewhat on masks - based on nuclear and military training. I do agree that most masks (and especially in the way many people use them) are pretty useless. No mask or respirator will filter everything, but they can be pretty effective if used correctly, and a lot of that comes down to proper fit - no beards and no gaps. When I thought more and read more, there's an issue a lot of anti mask people don't take into account. Airborne viruses transferred from person to person are attached to droplets of varying size and are expelled differently - simple breathing vs a sneeze, for example. And it's more complex because with evaporation the droplet size becomes smaller - but generally you are still looking at something much larger than the virus itself. One part of CBR training is to ensure that when you demask and take off other protective clothing it's done so that you keep contaminants away from you - yet people drop the mask right below the nose and inhale anything attached to a mask. Also there's been very little mention about eyes - without at least glasses there's a perfectly good surface for airborne particulates to adhere to, and a pathway directly to the nasal passages.

My first thoughts were that a lot of the transmission paths could be modeled like we do in nuclear applications with three dimensional and time variant calculus, but the truth is that it's more complex. In a nuclear fission event, dispersed neutrons are generally pretty well described in mass and energy, but vapor droplets from an infected person are very different - very different energy and mass. Some travel faster, some travel further, and some may be small enough not to be filtered, but you still have to consider that N95 masks also rely on electrostatic charge to trap the smaller particles. The point is that medical science seems to be well behind the curve; they apparently have a lot of work to do, or at least they haven't done well in getting information out. As I recall at the start, they didn't even assume that covid was an airborne infection - mind boggling. Most of our accumulated mask data are basically worthless because there has been no standard (everything from scarves to respirators), certainly no real training in use and removal after exposure, and no talk about eye protection; I don't think you can draw any conclusions at all from how we've handled personal protective gear in a covid environment.
 
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ButchPlz said:
Nobody cares about setting definitions for the data.

Nobody cares about figuring out the real counts for cases, deaths, hospitalizations and their actual relevance to COVID.

Nobody cares about figuring out the real VAERS data.

Nobody cares about digging into the incentives hospitals received to class things certain ways.

Nobody cares to study and share numbers on the vaccine's true effectiveness.

Nobody cares about the truth. Our society allows it. We're getting what we paid for.
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We are and have been poorly prepared for emergency response. There's essentially no education, and what there is has been diluted by internet "experts". Most applications are geared to the thought that somewhere there's a government agency in waiting with the proper tools, training, and motivation. Hurricanes and other weather events have shown that not to be very accurate. We certainly are not getting much for the tax dollars spent supporting them, and leaving it to the "experts" hasn't worked well at all. The funny part is that in most security training there is a lot of emphasis on "security starts with you", and our emergency response types want to exclude you from the equation.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Exactly. Many young people are getting tired of this garbage of an administration and tired of these covid lockdowns and rules. His disapproval being so high in a state like Colorado should be a clear sign.
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It's not a sign nor even clear until they hit the voting booths. They can bitch all day, but until they throw out the leftists, it is all talk.
 
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AM64 said:
Well, you are assuming democrats are intelligent enough to be offended - that's a giant leap.
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Oh no... they are intelligent enough to be offended.... that takes relatively little. It takes way more intelligence to NOT be offended by petty little **** that won't hurt anyone.

Washington Football Club. puhleeeez
 
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AM64 said:
I tend to disagree with you somewhat on masks - based on nuclear and military training. I do agree that most masks (and especially in the way many people use them) are pretty useless. No mask or respirator will filter everything, but they can be pretty effective if used correctly, and a lot of that comes down to proper fit - no beards and no gaps. When I thought more and read more, there's an issue a lot of anti mask people don't take into account. Airborne viruses transferred from person to person are attached to droplets of varying size and are expelled differently - simple breathing vs a sneeze, for example. And it's more complex because with evaporation the droplet size becomes smaller - but generally you are still looking at something much larger than the virus itself. One part of CBR training is to ensure that when you demask and take off other protective clothing it's done so that you keep contaminants away from you - yet people drop the mask right below the nose and inhale anything attached to a mask. Also there's been very little mention about eyes - without at least glasses there's a perfectly good surface for airborne particulates to adhere to, and a pathway directly to the nasal passages.

My first thoughts were that a lot of the transmission paths could be modeled like we do in nuclear applications with three dimensional and time variant calculus, but the truth is that it's more complex. In a nuclear fission event, dispersed neutrons are generally pretty well described in mass and energy, but vapor droplets from an infected person are very different - very different energy and mass. Some travel faster, some travel further, and some may be small enough not to be filtered, but you still have to consider that N95 masks also rely on electrostatic charge to trap the smaller particles. The point is that medical science seems to be well behind the curve; they apparently have a lot of work to do, or at least they haven't done well in getting information out. As I recall at the start, they didn't even assume that covid was an airborne infection - mind boggling. Most of our accumulated mask data are basically worthless because there has been no standard (everything from scarves to respirators), certainly no real training in use and removal after exposure, and no talk about eye protection; I don't think you can draw any conclusions at all from how we've handled personal protective gear in a covid environment.
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Study supports widespread use of better masks to curb COVID-19 indoors | Waterloo News

Here is a very recent one from the University of Waterloo. It's findings are that standard masks like surgical masks and obviously cloth masks too only stop 10 percent of exhaled droplets, rendering them ineffective. Most droplets just redirect. K95/N95 masks do stop 50 percent of exhaled droplets, much better, but only stopping half.
 
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Republicans plot filibuster revenge strategy against Senate Democrats

Senate Republicans say if Democrats vote to end the filibuster, the GOP will use the new rule to force votes on a string of Republican legislation that would stand a good chance of passing in the evenly divided Senate.

In a move that would turn the Democratic plan to end the filibuster on its head, Republicans say they’ll bring up legislation that can easily garner 50 GOP votes and a few Democratic ones. This could advance Republican measures under the rule change Democrats are considering that would lower the 60-vote threshold to 51 votes.

The GOP's list of legislation is not what Democratic leaders have in mind as they plot an end to the filibuster, including legislation to restart the Keystone XL pipeline, bolster security at the beleaguered southern border, and block taxpayer funding for abortions.

Republicans plot filibuster revenge strategy against Senate Democrats
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
Republicans plot filibuster revenge strategy against Senate Democrats

Senate Republicans say if Democrats vote to end the filibuster, the GOP will use the new rule to force votes on a string of Republican legislation that would stand a good chance of passing in the evenly divided Senate.

In a move that would turn the Democratic plan to end the filibuster on its head, Republicans say they’ll bring up legislation that can easily garner 50 GOP votes and a few Democratic ones. This could advance Republican measures under the rule change Democrats are considering that would lower the 60-vote threshold to 51 votes.

The GOP's list of legislation is not what Democratic leaders have in mind as they plot an end to the filibuster, including legislation to restart the Keystone XL pipeline, bolster security at the beleaguered southern border, and block taxpayer funding for abortions.

Republicans plot filibuster revenge strategy against Senate Democrats
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To ask the obvious question if they have bipartisan ideas that could garner some Dem votes why the hell aren’t they just bringing them up now FFS?!
 
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hog88 said:
Well we were much tougher back then. Men didn't cry because they got their feelings hurt.
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I always like these posts. Not like they werent fighting duels over someone talking to their girl, or using the wrong title. Wars fought over some insult.
 
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norrislakevol said:
Study supports widespread use of better masks to curb COVID-19 indoors | Waterloo News

Here is a very recent one from the University of Waterloo. It's findings are that standard masks like surgical masks and obviously cloth masks too only stop 10 percent of exhaled droplets, rendering them ineffective. Most droplets just redirect. K95/N95 masks do stop 50 percent of exhaled droplets, much better, but only stopping half.
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To me that's just bad science and misleading information. It does specifically say "exhaled" and the pictures show exhaled - that protects the other guy from you. Most respirators protect inhalation - whether dust, pollen, or viral or bacterial droplets. Exhalation is more forceful because it's at the source, and that does make it an effective measure of effectiveness, but it's misleading in many ways. Most of us wear masks/respirators to protect us against the other people around - blocking our effluent is an additional benefit. The inhaled airborne stuff is not pulled through the mask as forcefully as it would be with normal exhalation and certainly not as forcefully as a cough or sneeze. Air resistance is going to diminish the velocity and energy of droplets rapidly, and multilayer - particularly electrostatic materials - should trap them. It's all about probabilities: filtering some out by the infected wearer, diminishing the concentration by distance, and reducing intake to the person at risk. Time is the interesting variable because it changes dynamics as the speed decreases, the droplet size decreases due to evaporation, and the one the CDC etc haven't really told us much about - how long the virus remains potent outside the body. All those things reduce the viral load taken in; use them effectively and you reduce the critical mass to make you sick - defense in depth.
 
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AM64 said:
To me that's just bad science and misleading information. It does specifically say "exhaled" and the pictures show exhaled - that protects the other guy from you. Most respirators protect inhalation - whether dust, pollen, or viral or bacterial droplets. Exhalation is more forceful because it's at the source, and that does make it an effective measure of effectiveness, but it's misleading in many ways. Most of us wear masks/respirators to protect us against the other people around - blocking our effluent is an additional benefit. The inhaled airborne stuff is not pulled through the mask as forcefully as it would be with normal exhalation and certainly not as forcefully as a cough or sneeze. Air resistance is going to diminish the velocity and energy of droplets rapidly, and multilayer - particularly electrostatic materials - should trap them. It's all about probabilities: filtering some out by the infected wearer, diminishing the concentration by distance, and reducing intake to the person at risk. Time is the interesting variable because it changes dynamics as the speed decreases, the droplet size decreases due to evaporation, and the one the CDC etc haven't really told us much about - how long the virus remains potent outside the body. All those things reduce the viral load taken in; use them effectively and you reduce the critical mass to make you sick - defense in depth.
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I'll give you that one for sure. However the Danish mask study which actually used a control group pointed to no real difference in infection rate between masked and unmasked. The University of Louisville mask study analyzed the CDC's own data and found no benefit to masks slowing the spread of COVID.
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
Republicans plot filibuster revenge strategy against Senate Democrats

Senate Republicans say if Democrats vote to end the filibuster, the GOP will use the new rule to force votes on a string of Republican legislation that would stand a good chance of passing in the evenly divided Senate.

In a move that would turn the Democratic plan to end the filibuster on its head, Republicans say they’ll bring up legislation that can easily garner 50 GOP votes and a few Democratic ones. This could advance Republican measures under the rule change Democrats are considering that would lower the 60-vote threshold to 51 votes.

The GOP's list of legislation is not what Democratic leaders have in mind as they plot an end to the filibuster, including legislation to restart the Keystone XL pipeline, bolster security at the beleaguered southern border, and block taxpayer funding for abortions.

Republicans plot filibuster revenge strategy against Senate Democrats
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The spineless Republicucks controlled all 3 branches of gubmint from 2016 to 2018 and didn’t do squat. McCarty and Turtle are worthless scum.
 
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