SIAP Legal fees top $1 million in probe of football recruiting violations under Jeremy Pruitt

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GregAmsler said:
No one forces anyone to hire lawyers. According to almost everyone, “there are too many lawyers.” Lawyers compete in the free market, and if there are too many, that means their prices should be artificially low. It’s almost like legal services have value.

Paying $1m to save $12m is money well spent. Those lawyers earned their money. Kevin Steele made a lot more and did nothing to earn it.
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Writing JUST LIKE a lawyer…‘Cept no “whereas’” & “therefores’”…
 
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GVol1966 said:
Common mistake, to lump football in the same category.
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So the University of Tennessee Volunteers isn't part of the University of Tennessee? Interesting concept since the players must be students at the University.

It's also interesting that the coaches are employees of the University, hired by the Athletic Director, who is hired by the Chancellor, President, and Board of the University.

But sure, pardon me for assuming football is part of the University of Tennessee.
 
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This is all Blonde Donde's mess to clean up, Boyd came up with the money to payoff the contractual obligations that needed to be paid, Donde signed Foolmer and Pruitt's extensions with little to no inquiry, Foolmer looks like a paid and biased witness for the university, but the proof is expected to show lack of institutional control, an AD more interested in football practice than strict compliance with the improper benefits rules, ought to be interesting how Blonde Donde comes out on this one
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
So the University of Tennessee Volunteers isn't part of the University of Tennessee? Interesting concept since the players must be students at the University.

It's also interesting that the coaches are employees of the University, hired by the Athletic Director, who is hired by the Chancellor, President, and Board of the University.

But sure, pardon me for assuming football is part of the University of Tennessee.
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Never said wasn’t. But if you believe it operates in the same way as all the other departments then congratulations on finally finding your way out of that cave you’ve been lost in for the las 50 years
 
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GVol1966 said:
Never said wasn’t. But if you believe it operates in the same way as all the other departments then congratulations on finally finding your way out of that cave you’ve been lost in for the las 50 years
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Actually, that's EXACTLY why the courts are quickly coming after amateur status. The schools HAVE been operating as businesses, not academic institutions, and not paying the players.

My complaint is the lousy way ACADEMICS who are used to managing an institution of higher learning are stuck managing a huge BUSINESS. They suck at it and hence the huge turnover in college coaching and the large amounts of money they end up paying out to coaches in buyouts.

We likely agree. Schools are no place for and not the same as large athletic team businesses.

The mishandling of the money shows it very well.
 
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TartanTurff said:
This is all Blonde Donde's mess to clean up, Boyd came up with the money to payoff the contractual obligations that needed to be paid, Donde signed Foolmer and Pruitt's extensions with little to no inquiry, Foolmer looks like a paid and biased witness for the university, but the proof is expected to show lack of institutional control, an AD more interested in football practice than strict compliance with the improper benefits rules, ought to be interesting how Blonde Donde comes out on this one
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So do you think Jimmy Cheek did any better?

He ran thru coaches and whatnot also. The issue is that these folks aren't skilled in running an athletic team, they've come up as academic administratiors not via sports management.

It was the same with Fulmer. Maybe he could coach decently but he was never AD material. People with zero knowledge of running a huge sports business shouldn't run huge sports businesses.
 
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wmcovol said:
Blood sucking lawyers
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Meh, idk. This was a flaming dumpster of poo to clean up. Honestly think UT is getting off cheap if this ends up being it and assuming they get off without significant sanctions. Lawyers damn sure did more to earn their paycheck than Fulmer or Steele did. Tennessee is good at wasting money.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
That's not really an acceptable answer if you truly know it's pocket change. Whose money?
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Acceptable answer? You’re talking one million dollars for an athletic dept that reels in over 100x that annually. If you want specifics the AD provided the money; if you want more specifics some donors would’ve happily ear marked that particular money to make Pruitt and Fulmer history. TV money, booster donations, sells and attendance of fans are all revenue streams that fuel the AD’s budget.

If you want to argue we could and should have better management of our financial resources then believe me brother we’re on the same page. If you want to say the particular structure of how those funds and resources can be deployed is completely screwed up in relationship to our peers, again I’ll completely and whole heartedly agree. If you want argue that a cool million to get that POS Pruitt out of the AD was money not well spent then there’s where I would disagree.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
So the University of Tennessee Volunteers isn't part of the University of Tennessee? Interesting concept since the players must be students at the University.

It's also interesting that the coaches are employees of the University, hired by the Athletic Director, who is hired by the Chancellor, President, and Board of the University.

But sure, pardon me for assuming football is part of the University of Tennessee.
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The athletic department is a separate financial entity and not a part of the university in those terms.

Non-profit means you spend everything you take in. Up to several years ago, the NFL was a non-profit but they didn't like having to reveal their financial statements (as required by law to be a non-profit) and reclassified themselves.
 
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This thread made my head spin. I guess people don't realize that the AD is separate from the academic side? Money coming into the AD gets spent on AD things, except for the scholarships that have to be paid to the school.
 
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kcvols1 said:
Everyone hates us until they’re in a bind.

At least that explains how we’re able to negotiate great fees.
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Yep, wait until people are in a bind & charge great fees….. that’s a blood sucker aright. You nailed it
 
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wmcovol said:
Yep, wait until people are in a bind & charge great fees….. that’s a blood sucker aright. You nailed it
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So what sort of fees would you consider reasonable?

If a person waits until they’re in a bind to hire counsel, it will always take more effort to help them out. Messes are labor intensive - even when they’re legal in nature.
 
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Cornbread should have to foot the bill. Not did he cheat, but he sucked and cheated.
 
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