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Rasputin_Vol said:
In this particular and extreme case, where a man was on his death bed, there is no justification to allow a man to die because of the fear of some ambulance chasers.

That's all I'm saying.
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Not giving an unauthorized medication against the physician’s opinion doesn’t equal “allowing a man to die”. That is some next level hyperbole BS. Even if they gave it to him, he still likely would be dead.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Patients don’t have the option to do whatever they feel is right or want. Otherwise alcoholics could drink beer before surgery or addicts could shoot up meth to make them feel calm in the hospital or idiots could blood let with leeches
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Are you being ridiculous to try to make some point? I'm talking about treating a guy that is on his death bed with an experimental treatment.

You're talking about shooting meth and drinking alcohol.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Yes. Red and I have interviewed our Drs enough to know how they will practice medicine.
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It’s always those with NO experience with healthcare or legal matters that seem to have the wrongest and most uneducated opinions on them. I have referenced some of the discussions here with the chief medical officer of my hospital and we laugh so hard at them.
 
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VolinWayne said:
A well known doctor in my area who I go to church with (he is very pro-vaccine by the way) says it is absolutely criminal the way hospitals and the news media have suppressed the actual treatments that do work for Covid. He says he has treated many many patients with Ivermectin and not had a single patient die and very few admitted into the hospital.
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My doctor has treated over 80 patients and not one hospitalization and everyone recovered within a week.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Are you being ridiculous to try to make some point? I'm talking about treating a guy that is on his death bed with an experimental treatment.

You're talking about shooting meth and drinking alcohol.
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Yes because patients and their families don’t practice medicine usually and don’t have a clue about how things work or what is actually needed. Just because a patient “wants to try” something, doesnt mean they should be allowed to against the doctor’s wishes. It’s not the patient’s hospital
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Lol there some rules are there for perfectly understood good and practical reasons. You are going to tell me you don’t follow federal regulations and OSHA guidelines in your business? Of course you do. Everyday. Hypocrite
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Well he has to follow them or else he will get fined or punished in some manner. That doesn't mean that all OSHA guidelines and Federal regulations are there for "perfectly understood good and practical reasons". I'm sure I could think of one recent OSHA guideline that fits that criteria...
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Well he has to follow them or else he will get fined or punished in some manner. That doesn't mean that all OSHA guidelines and Federal regulations are there for "perfectly understood good and practical reasons". I'm sure I could think of one recent OSHA guideline that fits that criteria...
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I don’t disagree with you. But there ARE practical and good laws even if you disagree with them
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
Deputy DA and rising California Republican star, 46, who slammed COVID vaccine mandates one month ago at Turning Point USA rally dies after testing positive for the virus

A California deputy district attorney and rising Republican star who slammed vaccine mandates a month ago at a Turning Point USA rally has died from complications of the virus.

Kelly Ernby, 46, died this week after contracting the virus. It is unclear whether or not she was vaccinated.

Rising CA Republican star who slammed COVID vaccines dies after testing positive for the virus | Daily Mail Online
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“Yay! Someone who opposed government tyranny died! Woo hoo!”
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
And you don’t think eventually you probably should at least LOOK at the understanding and history of why things are the way they are.
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Oh, I'm sure all of these things had a reason for being put in place. But you fail to hear what I'm saying. There are some rules that are ridiculous and need to be abolished and some rules are well intentioned but need to be relaxed in an extreme situation.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
And you don’t think eventually you probably should at least LOOK at the understanding and history of why things are the way they are. Some aren’t perfect, some are fine, but this utopian society you dream of where no laws or rules can exist and people will just be fine is Luther level delusions. I’m 100% for freedom. And that includes the freedoms of doctors to have the freedom to do what they feel is right with patient care plans, for business owners to have freedom to fire or not do business with or to make people leave their property when asked, or for people to not have to worry about criminals intruding on their own freedoms
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I'm not an anarchist. I'm simply making a plea for common sense and pragmatism. There is no way you really can defend denying a man on his death bed whatever medical treatment is available.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Oh, I'm sure all of these things had a reason for being put in place. But you fail to hear what I'm saying. There are some rules that are ridiculous and need to be abolished and some rules are well intentioned but need to be relaxed in an extreme situation.
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I am for the “relaxing” of certain rules in extreme situations. But the problem also is once you try to make exceptions then it becomes a flood of “well my case is really bad so why not if you let them”

Our hospital had this last year with Covid visitation restrictions. They knew we had to restrict visitation but it became a debate even among admin how to do it and in what cases and with whom. It never worked until we did away with exceptions and said screw it, this is what we will do. And stuck by it. Some rules and policies are ineffective especially in large businesses unless they are enforced equally by shift, location, dept. etc
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I'm not an anarchist. I'm simply making a plea for common sense and pragmatism. There is no way you really can defend denying a man on his death bed whatever medical treatment is available.
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But again. It’s not HIS hospital. People die everyday, especially in hospitals. Patients don’t dictate what we do with their uneducated opinions and whims
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
The family refused to because if a patient leaves the hospital AMA they have to pay the entire bill not because they were taking a stand for their loved one. Again. Not rocket science here
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I already mentioned that being a possibility when I talked about insurance and being able to find another facility that would treat them.

Rickyvol77 said:
And you’re right not every incident has to involve the police, but a business owner has little recourse if someone is trespassing and refuses to leave their property
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Again, you don't listen/read well. I am simply saying that not every situation requires the police.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I'm not an anarchist. I'm simply making a plea for common sense and pragmatism. There is no way you really can defend denying a man on his death bed whatever medical treatment is available.
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It's all about money Ras. Health insurance is a game that actuaries play. They always win, health insurance companies never lose.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
And there we go...

So just remember that folks if the order comes to grab them guns or shove that needle in your child's arm...
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I was pointing out that Hog was being hypocritical with his statements. And no one is grabbing your guns or forcing needles in your child arms. Stop with the conspiracy level paranoia
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Yes. Red and I have interviewed our Drs enough to know how they will practice medicine.
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And that is because (based on what I've gathered over some of your posts) that you have a unique situation with Red... because you have all of this experience with having to deal with these issues that most people/families don't have, you are armed with a bit more info and are aware of what questions to ask and are aware of roadblocks that most people are completely unaware of. Your experience with the medical system is a bit different than the norm. Most people usually only go see their doctors once or twice a year, so very rarely do these in depth conversations about medical procedures or contingency plans come about.
 
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