Guess which non-play-off bowl was #2 in attendance?

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Jax_Vol said:
The NCAA assigns the referees. The Titans did a poor job with their field this year, so went with the light paint. No one wants to work in a pandemic. With that said, Scott only wants the Vols once a decade. It badly hurts the hotel and restaurant industry.

Hopefully, next year, they will be rolling out the red carpet for us in New Orleans.
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I am going to have to agree with the previous post. For the amount of money people pay for tickets even at "second rate" bowls, I was disappointed in some of the experience. Some of this ultimately may not be the bowl's problem. But, they ran out of ice cream early in the 3rd quarter (brought my son), they were low in merchandise inventory and didn't have the required size, the field was a mess, and of course, the obvious officiating.

I did spend one night in a hotel and had dinner, so I guess we helped the local economy. I will just think twice about spending the money for a bowl like the MCB.
 
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VolGee4 said:
A few things:
1. This is why other bowls still exist. It was a topic on another thread, and they wouldn't exist if money wasn't being paid to the schools/conferences.
2. The SEC helps slot these group of 6 bowls that the conference is tied into. UT can very well tell the conference that they aren't going back for a while depending on success.
3. The school gets roughly 1.5 or maybe 2 of that payout for expenses. The rest goes to the conference pot to be split at the end of the year.
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I have no issues with any of what you wrote. I'm only highlighting that UT wants/needs revenue.

From the past performance of the football program and the pandemic, UT simply isn't drawing in revenue like they used to. If you remember "the good ol' days," the UT AD used to have one heck of a purse. So, even though folks are still (rightfully) pissed over some seriously bad ref'ing, it's always about the money.

The UT Football Program was happy to go to the MCB, and would do so again, if offered.
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
You realize Tennessee doesn't actually get that money, right? It goes into a "pot" and the conference divides it up, hell, even Vanderbilt gets a cut of that money.
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Music City bowl guarantees money to the teams that participate. Conference teams agree that money goes to the conferences & split by their respective agreements. Anything above the guarantee goes to the bowl and its "charity" which in this case is the Nashville Sports Coucil and Nashville Tourism Council. They came out like bandits with the inflated ticket prices and sellout crowd.
 
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mad4vols said:
Everybody wants us at their bowl

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At the College World Series in Omaha, the Vols were out there in mass for the first game on a Sunday (I think?). Our crowd dropped by 50-60% for the second game. It was still a good showing.

Mississippi State really packed the place. They love their baseball.
 
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VolGee4 said:
I am going to have to agree with the previous post. For the amount of money people pay for tickets even at "second rate" bowls, I was disappointed in some of the experience. Some of this ultimately may not be the bowl's problem. But, they ran out of ice cream early in the 3rd quarter (brought my son), they were low in merchandise inventory and didn't have the required size, the field was a mess, and of course, the obvious officiating.

I did spend one night in a hotel and had dinner, so I guess we helped the local economy. I will just think twice about spending the money for a bowl like the MCB.
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The MCB has limited input on the field and none on the referees. The Titans provide the concessions, with the MCB getting a cut spilt with worker groups of volunteers from local schools. In the pandemic, I don't think Scott expected a sell-out. So, his fault on the merchandising.

Thanks for helping the middle Tennessee economy! We hope to see ya'll again around 2032.
 
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Jax_Vol said:
The MCB has limited input on the field and none on the referees. The Titans provide the concessions, with the MCB getting a cut spilt with worker groups of volunteers from local schools. In the pandemic, I don't think Scott expected a sell-out. So, his fault on the merchandising.

Thanks for helping the middle Tennessee economy! We hope to see ya'll again around 2032.
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Ramsey said over a week ago on radio it would sell out.
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
You realize Tennessee doesn't actually get that money, right? It goes into a "pot" and the conference divides it up, hell, even Vanderbilt gets a cut of that money.
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Does A&M get a piece of the pie? I hope not, not like they need the $$$.
 
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Jax_Vol said:
The MCB has limited input on the field and none on the referees. The Titans provide the concessions, with the MCB getting a cut spilt with worker groups of volunteers from local schools. In the pandemic, I don't think Scott expected a sell-out. So, his fault on the merchandising.

Thanks for helping the middle Tennessee economy! We hope to see ya'll again around 2032.
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I get that there are third party vendors/groups in play, but I would hope the MCB has influence over things that are presented/used at their own bowl game. They got a break when UT was starving for a post season game, and most could get there.

City of Nashville and/or the Titans need to fix their field.
 
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TennVols12 said:
Well, considering that the conference splits all bowl revenue, I don’t think you actually understand how the real game is played.
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Disagree. It always about the money, and UT needs more of it now than ever to rebuild their program.
 
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VolGee4 said:
I get that there are third party vendors/groups in play, but I would hope the MCB has influence over things that are presented/used at their own bowl game. They got a break when UT was starving for a post season game, and most could get there.

City of Nashville and/or the Titans need to fix their field.
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Agree.

If you recall. we had the exact same issue in Neyland back 3-4 years ago. We painted it green.

Sometimes, the grass gets away from ya.
 
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Jax_Vol said:
The MCB has limited input on the field and none on the referees. The Titans provide the concessions, with the MCB getting a cut spilt with worker groups of volunteers from local schools. In the pandemic, I don't think Scott expected a sell-out. So, his fault on the merchandising.

Thanks for helping the middle Tennessee economy! We hope to see ya'll again around 2032.
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I would submit that this debacle is a perfect opportunity for the MCB to go to the NCAA and demand input on the referees. This is twice that horrid officiating has cost UT the chance to win the MCB. The first one, they flat out cheated us out of a victory. This one just cost us the opportunity to win. I wish there were a way that the MCB could litigate the NCAA for costing them future revenues by providing incompetent or corrupt officials because my takeaway as I left Nissan last Thursday was to figure out how to bankrupt the MCB and all its stakeholders. Being cheated twice in our home state bowl is inexcusable.
 
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TennVols12 said:
What does that have to do with the conference splitting the money no matter which bowl UT goes to?
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All I'm saying is that when an opportunity comes along to go to a bowl, UT will gladly take it---even the MCB. It maintains UT's good standing with the bowl community, and it brings in additional revenue for the entire conference, which in turn benefits UT.

Once UT finds their way out of the wilderness, and once again becomes a powerhouse, "earnings" will be back to what we were once used to seeing. But, for now, UT needs money, so they're happy to take an invitation to the MCB . . . especially after last year's abysmal season.

I don't think it makes a lot sense for fans to take the position that somehow the MCB is beneath UT, especially because of few bad calls by a half-baked officiating crew. It was great to see the program in a bowl again, it was good for our fans because travel expenses weren't prohibitive, and again, the experience generated revenue for the SEC (of which UT will benefit).
 
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Jax_Vol said:
Agree.

If you recall. we had the exact same issue in Neyland back 3-4 years ago. We painted it green.

Sometimes, the grass gets away from ya.
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There are several differences. 1, usually there are only 7-8 games played on Shield-Watkins Field in the fall. Nissan stadium hosts Titans, TSU, and sometimes Soccer so possibly 15-20 events. 2, the last game of the season played on Shield-Watkins Field is usually November, whereas the MCB game is played at the end of December and Nissan has still hosting games.

Nashville is in a tough spot because Bermuda grass is the only thing that will work for the early season games, but rye grass is better for games in November and December. Bermuda can hold up to lots of sports when dormant, but 300+ pound linemen pushing against each other really makes a mess. I want to say this, I am a grass guy, my last house I meyer zoysia and tifway 419 my varieties of choice. But with all the events at Nissan they really should consider artificial turf.
 
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rocky top buzz said:
There are several differences. 1, usually there are only 7-8 games played on Shield-Watkins Field in the fall. Nissan stadium hosts Titans, TSU, and sometimes Soccer so possibly 15-20 events. 2, the last game of the season played on Shield-Watkins Field is usually November, whereas the MCB game is played at the end of December and Nissan has still hosting games.

Nashville is in a tough spot because Bermuda grass is the only thing that will work for the early season games, but rye grass is better for games in November and December. Bermuda can hold up to lots of sports when dormant, but 300+ pound linemen pushing against each other really makes a mess. I want to say this, I am a grass guy, my last house I meyer zoysia and tifway 419 my varieties of choice. But with all the events at Nissan they really should consider artificial turf.
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Very true. But, last I heard, we are building a smaller new venue for the soccer.

This year is going to be a mess there as the Titans will need two more home wins prior to winning the Super Bowl!

Love the zoysia! Nashville is in a very tough location being right on the fringe for the bermuda.
 
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knoxvol16 said:
All I'm saying is that when an opportunity comes along to go to a bowl, UT will gladly take it---even the MCB. It maintains UT's good standing with the bowl community, and it brings in additional revenue for the entire conference, which in turn benefits UT.

Once UT finds their way out of the wilderness, and once again becomes a powerhouse, "earnings" will be back to what we were once used to seeing. But, for now, UT needs money, so they're happy to take an invitation to the MCB . . . especially after last year's abysmal season.

I don't think it makes a lot sense for fans to take the position that somehow the MCB is beneath UT, especially because of few bad calls by a half-baked officiating crew. It was great to see the program in a bowl again, it was good for our fans because travel expenses weren't prohibitive, and again, the experience generated revenue for the SEC (of which UT will benefit).
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I’d suspect if an invite from the MCB comes again and Tennessee is in line to get invited, UT accepts it. The additional money the school gets over the Liberty, Bham Bowls allows more “staff”from the AD to enjoy the trip.
 
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wmcovol said:
I’d suspect if an invite from the MCB comes again and Tennessee is in line to get invited, UT accepts it. The additional money the school gets over the Liberty, Bham Bowls allows more “staff”from the AD to enjoy the trip.
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They don’t get any more money by going to any other non-NY6 bowl. Why is this so hard to comprehend?
 
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rocky top buzz said:
There are several differences. 1, usually there are only 7-8 games played on Shield-Watkins Field in the fall. Nissan stadium hosts Titans, TSU, and sometimes Soccer so possibly 15-20 events. 2, the last game of the season played on Shield-Watkins Field is usually November, whereas the MCB game is played at the end of December and Nissan has still hosting games.

Nashville is in a tough spot because Bermuda grass is the only thing that will work for the early season games, but rye grass is better for games in November and December. Bermuda can hold up to lots of sports when dormant, but 300+ pound linemen pushing against each other really makes a mess. I want to say this, I am a grass guy, my last house I meyer zoysia and tifway 419 my varieties of choice. But with all the events at Nissan they really should consider artificial turf.
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That's why many pro stadiums re-sod mid-year...sometimes multiple times.
 
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