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#113,229
volinbham said:
Yep. Even if this is just a NY thing it served Hochul given that the populace will no longer put up with the power grab. She'll be able to point to a big drop-off in severe effects of Covid and claim credit.

Should have been reported this way all along but that wouldn't have facilitated such a big power grab in the first place.

I expect we'll see CDC guidance to count this way; Fauci has already switched his language to this metric --- gotta show how those policies "shut down" Covid.
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I really hate how politicians do this so quietly. Change the metric without telling anyone about the change before claiming victory.
 
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#113,233
Rasputin_Vol said:
The law
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I know. You don’t try to understand or agree with any law that hurts your feelz but these debates are always the same with you

1) you are upset or mad about a random incident on the news concerning law enforcement, healthcare or businesses
2) you bring it here and whine about why people are compassionate or “what does it matter if xyz was allowed”
3) it’s correctly explained to you why the rules or regulations or law exists and why police/companies/doctors abide by it
4) you bemoan the law or rules or process as illegal or unconstitutional
5) it’s explained again why they exist and what problems they prevent or help with overall even if it’s a little different than said incident
6) you again complain and say I or the officer/doctor/business owner is trying to oppress someone or some such sillyness and decry how we are the harbingers of some future fascist takeover of rights and freedoms
 
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#113,234
Orangeslice13 said:
The Dr gets to decide what he thinks is the best corse of treatment and what those risks are.
Find a different Dr.
and if you didn’t know about your Dr ahead of time then that’s your fault and you have no one to blame but yourself
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With a novel virus and the hype that surrounds it right now, how would anyone before COVID had expected the amount of madness that we are encountering right now.

No reasonable person would be expected to be clairvoyant enough to have seen this coming. Not to mention the fact that they were two steps removed from the most used treatment. They went from Remdesivir, to being placed on a ventilator to being placed in a medically induced coma. The average person is not thinking 3 steps ahead of what might happen if contingency #1 or #2 fail. That is not a common conversation that most people would have had with their doctors.
 
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#113,235
hog88 said:
No, but I would look for every avenue around the law.
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Lol you don’t think that’s been done before. CMS, Joint Commission, the state of TN, the Feds, civil litigation attorneys aren’t idiots. They would know if a hospital or doctor or executive tried to “look around at avoiding” such regulations. It’s not worth the trouble it brings and opens up a can of worms with other patients and doctors as well
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Lol you don’t think that’s been done before. CMS, Joint Commission, the state of TN, the Feds, civil litigation attorneys aren’t idiots. They would know if a hospital or doctor or executive tried to “look around at avoiding” such regulations. It’s not worth the trouble it brings and opens up a can of worms with other patients and doctors as well
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i'm saying they/you are all to happy to follow the rules without challenging them.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
This guy would let a man die instead of violate some silly azz arbitrary protocol.

I suppose he wouldn't administer CPR because he may be liable if he breaks a rib or arrested for using too much tongue...
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You clearly have no idea how to actually save lives nor how to work within an actual business environment.
 
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I can imagine a Ricky stop in 1977. Do you know that you have a burned out light? No I don't, which one? The left license plate bulb, I'm gonna need you to step out the car and keep your hands where I can see them. Transfer this same attitude to the UT hospital parking lot police and you have Rickyvol77 2.0.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
If a man is dying, what is the risk (outside of the lawyers)? And I'm not saying "force". The patients should already have that option.
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Patients don’t have the option to do whatever they feel is right or want. Otherwise alcoholics could drink beer before surgery or addicts could shoot up meth to make them feel calm in the hospital or idiots could blood let with leeches
 
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#113,240
hog88 said:
Ricky is a rule follower.
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How often do you let clients come in and use your heavy equipment, administer your chemicals, or dictate your business to you? Even if they have another expert backing them up?

This scenario isnt too much an issue to me, I side with Ricky. What gets me is when you have the inside doctor wanting to do one thing but the hospital wont let them.
 
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#113,241
Orangeslice13 said:
No mandates.
No mandate to write/prescribe/fill ivermectin.
in your opinion the risk is small. And while I and my Dr agree we don’t get to decide that for all Drs.
You have the right to find a new Dr.
You want to force people to do things they’re concerned about because you’re not. And that’s just as wrong as a mask mandate
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A well known doctor in my area who I go to church with (he is very pro-vaccine by the way) says it is absolutely criminal the way hospitals and the news media have suppressed the actual treatments that do work for Covid. He says he has treated many many patients with Ivermectin and not had a single patient die and very few admitted into the hospital.
 
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#113,242
hog88 said:
i'm saying they/you are all to happy to follow the rules without challenging them.
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Lol there some rules are there for perfectly understood good and practical reasons. You are going to tell me you don’t follow federal regulations and OSHA guidelines in your business? Of course you do. Everyday. Hypocrite
 
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#113,243
VolStrom said:
I can imagine a Ricky stop in 1977. Do you know that you have a burned out light? No I don't, which one? The left license plate bulb, I'm gonna need you to step out the car and keep your hands where I can see them. Transfer this same attitude to the UT hospital parking lot police and you have Rickyvol77 2.0.
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I’ve never pulled anyone over for burnt license plate light but you sound like you have some real issues. I always blame authority behavioral issues with lack of parenting. Either leftist parents, over the top abusive parents or lack of a father figure usually are the top reasons
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
So the mask mandate is no problem? It’s not going to hurt you so why are you complaining?

Or is the Dr at a different standard than you?
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A mask mandate is someone imposing their will on me and my body.

I'm in support of the patient having the option to make that decision for themselves.

Not a good comparison.

A doctor doesn't have a "right" nor "should" they have the power to prevent me from taking measures to treat myself.

But obviously, in this world the "rights" of a doctor trump the patient's and they "should" have the power to block experimental/Hail Mary treatments.
 
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VolinWayne said:
A well known doctor in my area who I go to church with (he is very pro-vaccine by the way) says it is absolutely criminal the way hospitals and the news media have suppressed the actual treatments that do work for Covid. He says he has treated many many patients with Ivermectin and not had a single patient die and very few admitted into the hospital.
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It’s a good thing he is very pro-vaccine, that probably contributed more to them not being admitted to the hospitals or dying, not the ivermectin.
 
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#113,248
Rasputin_Vol said:
A mask mandate is someone imposing their will on me and my body.

I'm in support of the patient having the option to make that decision for themselves.

Not a good comparison.

A doctor doesn't have a "right" nor "should" they have the power to prevent me from taking measures to treat myself.

But obviously, in this world the "rights" of a doctor trump the patient's and they "should" have the power to block experimental/Hail Mary treatments.
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The patient either agrees to be a patient of said doctor and follow his recommendations or leave for another doctor. It’s not rocket science. Much like the criminal trespassing whine you had about business owners, you have no right to force people to do business with you the way you want them to or be on their property
 
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#113,250
Rickyvol77 said:
I know. You don’t try to understand or agree with any law that hurts your feelz but these debates are always the same with you

1) you are upset or mad about a random incident on the news concerning law enforcement, healthcare or businesses
2) you bring it here and whine about why people are compassionate or “what does it matter if xyz was allowed”
3) it’s correctly explained to you why the rules or regulations or law exists and why police/companies/doctors abide by it
4) you bemoan the law or rules or process as illegal or unconstitutional
5) it’s explained again why they exist and what problems they prevent or help with overall even if it’s a little different than said incident
6) you again complain and say I or the officer/doctor/business owner is trying to oppress someone or some such sillyness and decry how we are the harbingers of some future fascist takeover of rights and freedoms
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Not a perfect summation, but you are in the ballpark.
 
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