How does Baylor always find a good coach

#51
#51
VolunteerHillbilly said:
lots of defensiveness in here. saying Aranda did a great job this season is not an indictment of Hoople, although it probably belongs in the Around the NCAA forum. Art Briles fought for and received a $15 million dollar buyout from Baylor and he was cleared of wrongdoing by the NCAA. The fact that he has not been hired is about public perception and not anything he did or didn't due in relation to a sexual assault report.
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Somebody has done his homework.
 
#52
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BUBear said:
Somebody has done his homework.
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Except that the $15 million was a settlement and not even half his actual buyout. That kind of stuff normally gets settled. And…the NCAA report didn’t totally exonerate him either.
 
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#53
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Rickyvol77 said:
Again check his schedule. If Baylor played our schedule they would have 5-6 losses. And on top of it he only won this game because Corral got injured
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Would Corral really have made a difference? Very aggy statement by you.

* Played 12 minutes

* Passing
2 of 6 for 10 yards
0 TDs
1 Int
3 sacks

* Rushing
7 for 17 yards
0 TDs

He was on pace for a 12 sack game but Baylor only had 10 for the game. The numbers suggest they were better off with the true Fr QB.
 
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BUBear said:
Would Corral really have made a difference? Very aggy statement by you.

* Played 12 minutes

* Passing
2 of 6 for 10 yards
0 TDs
1 Int
3 sacks

* Rushing
7 for 17 yards
0 TDs

He was on pace for a 12 sack game but Baylor only had 10 for the game. The numbers suggest they were better off with the true Fr QB.
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No way…Baylor’s defense played well, but they had no chance after Corral got hurt.
 
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BUBear said:
Would Corral really have made a difference? Very aggy statement by you.

* Played 12 minutes

* Passing
2 of 6 for 10 yards
0 TDs
1 Int
3 sacks

* Rushing
7 for 17 yards
0 TDs

He was on pace for a 12 sack game but Baylor only had 10 for the game. The numbers suggest they were better off with the true Fr QB.
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Yes ole miss was better off with a freshman who hadn’t thrown a pass all season bs a Heisman finalist. 😂😂😂 Baylor’s three fans are so dumb about sports
 
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VolGee4 said:
Except that the $15 million was a settlement and not even half his actual buyout. That kind of stuff normally gets settled. And…the NCAA report didn’t totally exonerate him either.
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He settled for $15mm to further the careers of Baby Briles and Lebby. The administration was threatening to drag their names through the mud too. What would you do for the future security of your kids. I would take the $15mm and keep my mouth shut too.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Except that the $15 million was a settlement and not even half his actual buyout. That kind of stuff normally gets settled. And…the NCAA report didn’t totally exonerate him either.
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A timely reminder that all NCAA reports are bias- free gospel from the Mount
 
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I agree with the Corral part. But they hit on coaches way more often then we do. Even if you want to poop on this guy. Rhule and Briles were home runs. We have been best with 9 wins under Butch.

9 wins under Dobbs, despite Botch mismanagement of Hurd and Kamara.
 
#61
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BUBear said:
He settled for $15mm to further the careers of Baby Briles and Lebby. The administration was threatening to drag their names through the mud too. What would you do for the future security of your kids. I would take the $15mm and keep my mouth shut too.
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That’s all part of it. But a settlement either way doesn’t mean he was “exonerated.” As an attorney, I can tell you that much more goes into it. Do you want to go through all discovery with the chances of some unflattering things coming out? There are also business considerations.

My point was the original post about him fighting for $15 million was not quite transparent. His buyout was actually $39 million, and he settled for various reasons.
 
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Zues1 said:
Why is Penn State despised by most fans for the sexual attacks but Baylor seems to get a pass for sexual attacks?

I like most around don't care for Lane but I noticed in the ncaa bowl thread most were pulling for Baylor. How soon you forget.
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Just shows that sex abusers are more popular than that pervert.
 
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volfanhill said:
I think we have one now. Not positive yet. How the hell does Baylor always find a good coach? We have been stuck in the wilderness for 20 years
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Texas has a better recruiting base to draw from; they find players other P5 teams do not offer or players want to stay near home. Most of Baylor's good teams are generally full of Jr. and Sr. that have been developed and did not go into the portal.
 
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Tombo7 said:
I agree with the Corral part. But they hit on coaches way more often then we do. Even if you want to poop on this guy. Rhule and Briles were home runs. We have been best with 9 wins under Butch.

9 wins under Dobbs, despite Botch mismanagement of Hurd and Kamara.
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There is much more to this discussion. They don’t play Bama or UGA every year either. Their annual top 10 opponent is OU, and this year broke a 7 game OU winning streak. They’ve won 4 of last 12, but those 4 are the only ones in the last 27 games, too.

Before Briles, they were awful for 20 years, so do we dismiss that?
 
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VolGee4 said:
That’s all part of it. But a settlement either way doesn’t mean he was “exonerated.” As an attorney, I can tell you that much more goes into it. Do you want to go through all discovery with the chances of some unflattering things coming out? There are also business considerations.

My point was the original post about him fighting for $15 million was not quite transparent. His buyout was actually $39 million, and he settled for various reasons.
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you probably know more than me. I've only had my law license 23 years and I am still learning new stuff just about daily. given the despicable nature of the issues involved, if Baylor could have proved anything, Baylor would not have offered him a cent in settlement. not even cost of defense. they settled with Ken Starr too...same logic applies to that deal. the most in depth investigation into this was the NCAA's and they couldn't put anything on Briles. he is eligible to coach college football today if someone is willing to hire him.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
you probably know more than me. I've only had my law license 23 years and I am still learning new stuff just about daily. given the despicable nature of the issues involved, if Baylor could have proved anything, Baylor would not have offered him a cent in settlement. not even cost of defense. they settled with Ken Starr too...same logic applies to that deal. the most in depth investigation into this was the NCAA's and they couldn't put anything on Briles. he is eligible to coach college football today if someone is willing to hire him.
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Not sure what your area is, but “if Baylor could not have proved anything, Baylor would not have offered him a cent” is not what I’ve learned from practicing law. Frankly, I don’t believe it to be correct. Many more variables involved. Baylor could have had several things. Did those arise enough to be “with cause” under their contract? What did his actual “with cause” clause of his contract say? Not all coaching contracts are written the same. Did Baylor have things on Briles but maybe other mudslinging by his side could bring out other issues the school didn’t want out? What would 12 people do if a jury trial was requested? In my years of practice, juries can do anything. How much time and money was going to be invested to litigate it? I’m sure the school was using a cost-benefit analysis and was going to at least pay several million in fees and costs. All practical issues that you have to analyze when handling a lawsuit.

Also, just because the NCAA didn’t give him a show cause, doesn’t mean he was completely exonerated. Pretty sure the NCAA report said he made some missteps and did not do what he should have done. They are pretty serious issues, and many schools aren’t going to take on that liability (or publicity) to hire him again. More decisions with legal input.
 
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I've never heard of any outside counsel recommending a settlement in the neighborhood of 40% maximum exposure without conducting discovery first. That's the kind of offer that gets made after you make the plaintiff show you their case and, if appropriate, survive summary judgment.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
I've never heard of any outside counsel recommending a settlement in the neighborhood of 40% maximum exposure without conducting discovery first. That's the kind of offer that gets made after you make the plaintiff show you their case and, if appropriate, survive summary judgment.
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Not sure what to say if you don’t think the school had mostly investigated and analyzed the issues.
 
#73
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Rickyvol77 said:
He’s 13-9 as a HC and played a weak schedule.
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Yep, and Ole Miss would have beat them by 2 TD's if their whole team hadn't got hurt. Imagine how many fewer plays our D would have played vs OM if he hadn't got all those 3rd and long QB runs and 195 yards rushing.
 
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Baylor is in Wacko,Texass,home of the venerable David Koresh and former Baylor president Ken Starr and"never saw a rape I didn't like Art Briles.
 
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TNnative said:
Actually Haslam supported getting Patterson over Kiffen. Hamilton screwed it up.

Dooley was brought in on the fly after Kiffen left. It was a rushed hire.

Yeah, he OKed Jones after Hart got road weary.

But it is pretty clear Haslam supported Schiano.



But yeah, Baylor has been a little better organized. Except on hiring Ken Starr. That is why Art Briles is off to parts unknown.
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Starr is why Briles is off to parts unknown?!? So, it had nothing to do with multiple rape and sexual assault charges against football players that were covered up, several questionable transfers brought to Waco that resulted in additional criminal charges, continued use of the Baylor host program providing favors for the players, recruiting violations, etc?
 
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