Time for another rule change

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North Carolina’s ”victory” over Tennessee in the Music City Bowl a few years back was the inspiration for the 10-second runoff rule at the end of games, so that teams can’t stop the clock with little time left when they have no timeouts.

Maybe Purdue’s “victory“ over Tennessee in this year’s Music City Bowl should inspire new rules that are more objective (read “reviewable”) and based less on judgement.

For example, a runner‘s forward progress is deemed to be stopped when the ball, while in complete possession of the ball carrier, has not moved foward in 5 seconds, as long as defenders remain in contact with the ball carrier during that time.

This is an objective, quantifiable measure that could be reviewed.

Combine that rule with this one. A live ball becomes a dead ball only when an official blows a whistle or when any part of a ball carrier‘s body touches out of bounds. That would also be reviewable.

Any thoughts or other rule change suggestions?
 
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The whole point of instant replay is to make sure the call on the field is correct.

The replay they showed on tv multiple times showed the ball carrier reaching the ball out then almost a second later the whistle blowing. The whistle stops play, not the ref. Thats the first time I have ever heard them claim the ref said it was over before the whistle blew.

That should be reviewable as he clearly broke the plane before the whistle stopped play. NOT ONE SINGLE PLAYER is trained to stop when the ref signals jack squat. The whistle is and has always been what is used to signal the stoppage of play.
 
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imw8n4u said:
They need to start with addressing defenders fake injuries. Last night was the worst I've ever seen.
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This will get addressed in the off season. Too many people flopping. Even the refs said something to CJH about it last night.
 
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imw8n4u said:
They need to start with addressing defenders fake injuries. Last night was the worst I've ever seen.
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Easy to fix.. Have put this forward before.
If a player "goes down" he must sit out the whole series.
No matter if he is hurt or injured, he is out.
If he is injured likely would not be back anyway during the series.
If he is hurt it would do him a favor by letting him recover completely.
If he was "cheating" then he and his team will pay some price.
In the past if a guy had an arm (or wrist as we had in the 2nd half) hurt he would most often jog off the field. Not flop down like he was in death's throes. Much the same for dinged knees of ankles, the guy would if he could hobble of the field on this own.
 
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SGidds said:
North Carolina’s ”victory” over Tennessee in the Music City Bowl a few years back was the inspiration for the 10-second runoff rule at the end of games, so that teams can’t stop the clock with little time left when they have no timeouts.

Maybe Purdue’s “victory“ over Tennessee in this year’s Music City Bowl should inspire new rules that are more objective (read “reviewable”) and based less on judgement.

For example, a runner‘s forward progress is deemed to be stopped when the ball, while in complete possession of the ball carrier, has not moved foward in 5 seconds, as long as defenders remain in contact with the ball carrier during that time.

This is an objective, quantifiable measure that could be reviewed.

Combine that rule with this one. A live ball becomes a dead ball only when an official blows a whistle or when any part of a ball carrier‘s body touches out of bounds. That would also be reviewable.

Any thoughts or other rule change suggestions?
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I think it should be 3 seconds. Less than 5 for sure. If it a 3 seconds that wouldn't prevented their fight end from scoring on that long touchdown pass (I can't fathom how that one counted and ours didn't. It was essentially the exact same amount of time).

Obviously the flopping has to be addressed and most likely will be. I think the injured player has to be out the entire series and you can't sub anyone else out except for the injured player.
 
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imw8n4u said:
They need to start with addressing defenders fake injuries. Last night was the worst I've ever seen.
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Agreed. I am OK with the proposal mentioned during the game last night. Here‘s my suggestion:

Any injury timeout that is called for a player will make that player ineligible to return for the remainder of the offensive team‘s possession. If the player does return, then that would be an unsportsmanlike conduct foul, resulting in a 15-yard penalty and an automatic first down.
 
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rdk4121 said:
I think it should be 3 seconds. Less than 5 for sure. If it a 3 seconds that wouldn't prevented their fight end from scoring on that long touchdown pass (I can't fathom how that one counted and ours didn't. It was essentially the exact same amount of time).

Obviously the flopping has to be addressed and most likely will be. I think the injured player has to be out the entire series and you can't sub anyone else out except for the injured player.
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My initial thought was 3 seconds also, and I would be OK with that. I just wasn’t sure that 3 seconds was long enough to tell if the ball was not moving forward.
 
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Every replay they showed, Wright did not make contact with the ground, then stretched his arm out over the goal line which should have been a touchdown. As another poster said, the reason for review is to be sure of the call on the field. Yeah, that worked, didn't it? As far as fake injuries go, player goes down, refs call time out, trainers, medical staff come on the field, that player is ineligible until the next possession, coaching staff from team with the injury can't huddle with players to make adjustments, once a player has fished (flopped) for a second time, they are ineligible for the rest of that quarter. Something has to be done to get this nonsense stopped.
 
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SGidds said:
North Carolina’s ”victory” over Tennessee in the Music City Bowl a few years back was the inspiration for the 10-second runoff rule at the end of games, so that teams can’t stop the clock with little time left when they have no timeouts.

Maybe Purdue’s “victory“ over Tennessee in this year’s Music City Bowl should inspire new rules that are more objective (read “reviewable”) and based less on judgement.

For example, a runner‘s forward progress is deemed to be stopped when the ball, while in complete possession of the ball carrier, has not moved foward in 5 seconds, as long as defenders remain in contact with the ball carrier during that time.

This is an objective, quantifiable measure that could be reviewed.

Combine that rule with this one. A live ball becomes a dead ball only when an official blows a whistle or when any part of a ball carrier‘s body touches out of bounds. That would also be reviewable.

Any thoughts or other rule change suggestions?
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If the whistle hasn't been blown, everything that happened before should be reviewable. I'm not saying review every play for penalties, but there should be no reason why spot and forward calls can't be reviewed.
 
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It’s the “forward progress” rule that needs to be changed. Just do away with it, period. Play is over when whistle blows, end of discusssion.
 
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SGidds said:
North Carolina’s ”victory” over Tennessee in the Music City Bowl a few years back was the inspiration for the 10-second runoff rule at the end of games, so that teams can’t stop the clock with little time left when they have no timeouts.

Maybe Purdue’s “victory“ over Tennessee in this year’s Music City Bowl should inspire new rules that are more objective (read “reviewable”) and based less on judgement.

For example, a runner‘s forward progress is deemed to be stopped when the ball, while in complete possession of the ball carrier, has not moved foward in 5 seconds, as long as defenders remain in contact with the ball carrier during that time.

This is an objective, quantifiable measure that could be reviewed.

Combine that rule with this one. A live ball becomes a dead ball only when an official blows a whistle or when any part of a ball carrier‘s body touches out of bounds. That would also be reviewable.

Any thoughts or other rule change suggestions?
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They won’t address judgement calls because that is their CYA for mistakes.
 
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SGidds said:
North Carolina’s ”victory” over Tennessee in the Music City Bowl a few years back was the inspiration for the 10-second runoff rule at the end of games, so that teams can’t stop the clock with little time left when they have no timeouts.

Maybe Purdue’s “victory“ over Tennessee in this year’s Music City Bowl should inspire new rules that are more objective (read “reviewable”) and based less on judgement.

For example, a runner‘s forward progress is deemed to be stopped when the ball, while in complete possession of the ball carrier, has not moved foward in 5 seconds, as long as defenders remain in contact with the ball carrier during that time.

This is an objective, quantifiable measure that could be reviewed.

Combine that rule with this one. A live ball becomes a dead ball only when an official blows a whistle or when any part of a ball carrier‘s body touches out of bounds. That would also be reviewable.

Any thoughts or other rule change suggestions?
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Sadly, I thought that was the rule. Play ends when the whistle blows, except yesterday and it ended when the ref decided he wanted it to end.
 
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SGidds said:
North Carolina’s ”victory” over Tennessee in the Music City Bowl a few years back was the inspiration for the 10-second runoff rule at the end of games, so that teams can’t stop the clock with little time left when they have no timeouts.

Maybe Purdue’s “victory“ over Tennessee in this year’s Music City Bowl should inspire new rules that are more objective (read “reviewable”) and based less on judgement.

For example, a runner‘s forward progress is deemed to be stopped when the ball, while in complete possession of the ball carrier, has not moved foward in 5 seconds, as long as defenders remain in contact with the ball carrier during that time.

This is an objective, quantifiable measure that could be reviewed.

Combine that rule with this one. A live ball becomes a dead ball only when an official blows a whistle or when any part of a ball carrier‘s body touches out of bounds. That would also be reviewable.

Any thoughts or other rule change suggestions?
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I like your thinking but would need to be 2 second tops. I officiate high school ball and even 2 seconds is a eternity! If we truly want to keep people safe we don’t want someone stood up for 5 seconds, hell they will be a dead target
 
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SGidds said:
North Carolina’s ”victory” over Tennessee in the Music City Bowl a few years back was the inspiration for the 10-second runoff rule at the end of games, so that teams can’t stop the clock with little time left when they have no timeouts.

Maybe Purdue’s “victory“ over Tennessee in this year’s Music City Bowl should inspire new rules that are more objective (read “reviewable”) and based less on judgement.

For example, a runner‘s forward progress is deemed to be stopped when the ball, while in complete possession of the ball carrier, has not moved foward in 5 seconds, as long as defenders remain in contact with the ball carrier during that time.

This is an objective, quantifiable measure that could be reviewed.

Combine that rule with this one. A live ball becomes a dead ball only when an official blows a whistle or when any part of a ball carrier‘s body touches out of bounds. That would also be reviewable.

Any thoughts or other rule change suggestions?
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If the whistle hasn't been blown, everything that happened before should be reviewable. I'm not saying review every play for penalties, but there should be no reason why spot and forward progress calls can't be reviewed.
 
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We lost the game by.. 1. Failed 4th down conversions (where we could have kicked FG) 2. Our inability to tackle and cover in open space 3. Poor game management particularly in the last minute and a half of reg. You never want the game in the hands of the refs.

The overtime possession 4th and goal attempt was a weird play. Fant clearly pulled Small to advance him (over the goal line) while Small was on top of a Purdue defender. It's legal for an offensive player to push a ball carrier but not legal to pull a ball carrier although I think it's rarely called. After a quick search I couldn't find the NCAA rule , however I did find the NFL rule:

In the NFL, Rule 12-1-4 states that it is a foul for an offensive player to pull the ball carrier in any direction.
 
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I like how the forward progress rule has screwed us multiple times this year. Matt Corral earlier in the year, Purdue tight end last night, and Jaylen Wright last night. Absolutely no consistency. The tight and Wright's forward progress had been stopped for about the same amount of time (I think the right end was even longer), yet one is stopped and one is allowed to continue. Yet, Corral can be tackled for half that amount of time and it is stopped immediately. Funny how every single one of those calls went against us.

There has to be some objective measure to determine this, none of this subjective BS that let's terrible refs make terrible calls that can't be reviewed. I like the concept of play through the whistle, except the whistle is apparently irrelevant sometimes. There is no consistently and that allows some ACC refs to absolutely screw us.

I'm sure that this rule and the flopping will be addressed this offseason. I'm personally tired of being the reason the rules get changed after getting screwed by those rules.
 
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